Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2012/01/29 23:21:12 WET
Table 'Wallia VI' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: wakou222 ($13.12 in chips)
Seat 2: SharkyMcShrk ($15.88 in chips)
Seat 3: JOELEAN ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 4: betojro0o ($5.86 in chips)
Seat 5: muck24 ($5 in chips)
Seat 6: agursen ($8.32 in chips)
betojro0o: posts small blind $0.02
muck24: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS *** [3s 8s Qs Ad]
Dealt to SharkyMcShrk
agursen: raises $0.10 to $0.15
wakou222: calls $0.15
SharkyMcShrk: calls $0.15
JOELEAN: folds
betojro0o: folds
muck24: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 8h 4c]
agursen: checks
wakou222: bets $0.35
SharkyMcShrk: calls $0.35
agursen: raises $0.55 to $0.90
wakou222: calls $0.55
SharkyMcShrk: calls $0.55
*** TURN *** [5h 8h 4c 2h]
agursen: checks
wakou222: bets $3.06
SharkyMcShrk:..................................... ..

question:- as the hero here, do you.......
a)fist pump max bet,
b)begrudgingly/happilly call/call
c)cautiously call/fold to any max bet reraise
d)even more cautiously fold

will show the results later, i felt this was an interesting spot here.

Villan (A) (wakou) been known to be a bit spewwy but generally knows wat a hilo hand should looks like
Villan (B) (agursen) fairly new to me and have no real info on them

** Moved ** to Other Hand Analysis as OP is asking questions.

I pick A

A, too

Not A for me, I hate this spot, certainly not fist pumping.

I think our best case scenario is that wakou has the nut flush and we're splitting with him, or he's also got A3 and we're splitting with him. There are many times we're quartered though, and I can't see us ever scooping this pot given the action sequence by wakou. The other guy is a bit of a concern, but not so much, as his action sequence to this point screams Ax, so I think he's done with this hand unless he's terrible or turned nut/nut and decided to check/raise it.

Regardless, we are in a bad spot against wakou. Any time our most likely outcomes are half the pot or a quarter of the pot, and almost no scoops, I'm not happy.

Dave

BTW, I would have folded this hand to the flop action, and folding preflop is ok too. On the flop we have no high draw and A3 is pretty marginal for low with this action.

Originally Posted by TheLangolier

BTW, I would have folded this hand to the flop action, and folding preflop is ok too. On the flop we have no high draw and A3 is pretty marginal for low with this action.

yeah i hear u re folding the flop, but as i saw it at the time arguesen check, wakou bet and i was happy to call in position to him, with a plan to bet out any weakness from him (which i had done a few times alread) or improve on the turn. ovb once argusen check raises and wakou calls i sorta felt priced in, but meh, ur prob right, the fold is good here.

re the turn action, here is how the hand played out.......

SharkyMcShrk: folds
agursen: raises $4.21 to $7.27 and is all-in
wakou222: calls $4.21
*** RIVER *** [5h 8h 4c 2h Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
agursen: shows [Kd 3h 2c Ah] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
wakou222: shows [Ac 6c 8c 3c] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
agursen collected $8.44 from pot
agursen collected $4.22 from pot
wakou222 collected $4.22 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.76 | Rake $0.88
Board [5h 8h 4c 2h Jh]
Seat 1: wakou222 showed [Ac 6c 8c 3c] and won ($4.22) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 2: SharkyMcShrk folded on the Turn
Seat 3: JOELEAN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: betojro0o (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: muck24 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: agursen showed [Kd 3h 2c Ah] and won ($12.66) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A


again, just felt this is an interesting spot and shows the weakness of the "bottom end naked wheel" (lol my own term)on a dangerous board.

dont want to be results orientated but would be really keen to hear opinions on whether this is a good fold long term.

Originally Posted by SharkyMcShrk

dont want to be results orientated but would be really keen to hear opinions on whether this is a good fold long term.

Any time the pot is still small, play is short handed, lots of money is about to go in, and we have a hand which the vast majority of outcomes will be half the pot or a quarter of the pot, it's a good fold. O/8 is all about the scoops. Putting in a large amount of money (relative to the pot) with virtually no chance at scooping is never a great idea.

Dave

nice, I hate reading omaha hands... I need to think too much

tx for taking the time to look at the hand, hope also others can gain from this hand.

lol after looking back over this hand, had i got all my chips in i would of got 1/6th of the Main pot and 1 quater of the side pot that would of developed.

Originally Posted by SharkyMcShrk

tx for taking the time to look at the hand, hope also others can gain from this hand.

lol after looking back over this hand, had i got all my chips in i would of got 1/6th of the Main pot and 1 quater of the side pot that would of developed.

lol yeah...books and articles always talk about getting "quartered"...they don't often mention getting thirded and sixthed and eighthed