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By: baud2death @ 08:02 (EST) / 76 / Comment ( 2 )

We have all had that moment

What if i played my pair of 2s? The flop just came with a 2 and the turn filled up with another, my opp with AA and a Full House would have shipped me all of his chips.


Whilst this is negative thinking anyways... I came to the realization, this wouldn't happen.

In a real game where the dealer is holding an actual deck of cards, if the 2s are in there and they are drawn, its valid enough (if still quite negative) but in Online Poker - the cards don't exist but are part of a random sequence on numbers.

Unless Pokerstars (and correct me if I am wrong with this and they actually do) randomize all of the 52 cards prior to the hand being dealt and deal them one by one from that prearranged list then it is nothing like the Real Life Poker Room.


This is because if they do it as I believe they would (which from a computing point of view saves on resouces) each card is dealt from a randomized pool of available cards.


With this in mind, since most random number generators work with time as the variable to base the seed component of the randomizer.. Unless you and everyone at the table acts in the exact same speed as if you folded, it is extremely unlikely the same cards would come out.


IE : You have 22, you fold, you have 5 opponents left and all but 2 fold, 1 limps, 1 raises and the limper calls. Time taken for this to happen is a fraction of a second (lets say instant) for you and your folding opponents to give up their cards, 1/2 a second for the limper to act, 2 seconds for the raiser to act and 2 more seconds for the limper to act.. total of lets say 4.5 seconds

IE: You have 22, even if you limp its a few fractions of seconds longer to limp than to check/fold. The original limper still limps, the raiser raises again and both you and the other limper call. Lets say it was still a fraction of second (although it wasnt) for you to limp instead of folding, the 2nd limper takes the same time as he did before but now add an extra 1/2 a second for the raiser to figure out what additional he needs for 2 limpers instead of one... 1/2 second for you to call and 1/2 second for your other limper friend to call.. gives us 1 second more in time than the previous example

In 1 second a random number generator as intensive as Pokerstars is (it will have multiple layers of randomizing, not a simple RAND command) 1 second is more than enough time for the flop to come out differently



So with that said, the next time you think "I could have had a monster" - unless you can say 100% for sure that down to the millisecond or nanosecond that the time taken to act by calling would have been the same for you and the table as it would to have folded it, then perhaps thats the case but even if it was off by a fraction of a fraction of a percent, it would have come up differently


So in summary - wondering what you had when you fold is stupid... doing it in online poker when what you folded is as useful as saying "I had AA 10 hands ago and this flop came with AA, i would have made quads!!"

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