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Casino San Pablo $325 NL - Mon Oct 14, 2002, 01:02 AM
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$125 buyin, $100 rebuy, $100 addon tourney. 120 entrants. Down to 31.

Blinds 150/300, 25 ante. I have 3500, just a bit above average. folded to me in the SB, I raise all-in. The BB to my left has 9000, and has watched me make all in reraises of attempts to steal my blinds and I haven't had to show down yet. He calls my bet. I have AKo, he has AQo. You know the rest...QTxxQ...IGHN

Why so unlucky???why why why?

Thank you for reading. On to the next event.
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 12:50 PM
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Do you really consider this a bad beat though? Sure you were a good favourite, but I don't really consider them bad beats if they were justified in calling. I think AQ was justified here considering the range of hands you could have had. Just one of them things. Very common thing in tournaments. Still hurts though Maybe next time
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 03:26 PM
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You're probably right, it doesn't fall under the true definition of "bad beat".

Do you think it was a bad play on my part to push all in there? Should I have just made a standard raise? In hindsight, knowing the player and hishand, I am pretty sure he probably pops me back big/all in with AQo, so I don't see any way I could have seen the flop cheap unless I limped and he checked to try to trap me...in this case, with no A or K on the flop and me first to bet, I would probably have been able to get away from the hand, but I don't know for sure.

Without knowing he had AQo, is the overbet wrong there? I was trying to make it look like I was on a steal and hoped he would call, but I would probably only usually be called by a pocket pair or another AK...personally, I don't think I would call with AQ in his shoes. If that is the case, I am essentially risking all my chips on a coin flip if he has a pair (unless they have AA or KK) to pick up the blinds. As it happened, I had him badly dominated and he made exactly the mistake I had hoped for. But how often would that happen?
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 07:30 PM
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What does IGHN mean?

Randy
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 08:09 PM
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What does IGHN mean?
"I Go Home Now."

Chris
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 08:36 PM
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Poster Boy, how am I supposed to take that???? :roll:

Randy
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 09:02 PM
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You're probably right, it doesn't fall under the true definition of "bad beat".

Do you think it was a bad play on my part to push all in there? Should I have just made a standard raise?
Well, the general rule of thumb is that if a pot sized raise represents a total bet size that is 40% or more of your stack, then push all-in.

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In hindsight, knowing the player and hishand, I am pretty sure he probably pops me back big/all in with AQo,
And so he should, assuming you are a typical player.

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...so I don't see any way I could have seen the flop cheap unless I limped and he checked to try to trap me...in this case, with no A or K on the flop and me first to bet, I would probably have been able to get away from the hand, but I don't know for sure.
Why limp in order to get away cheap? You got it in as just under 3-to-1 favourite. Just one of those things, common to tournament play on shallow money. The fact you lost should not make you question the play.

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Without knowing he had AQo, is the overbet wrong there?
See my first reply above. 3500 looks on the borderline. You do the math and see.

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I was trying to make it look like I was on a steal and hoped he would call,
Well, it worked.

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but I would probably only usually be called by a pocket pair or another AK...personally,
I doubt it, but if that was the case, there is enough dead money in the pot relative to your stack to make stealing worthwile. If you will only get called by the above hands, then your chances of successfully stealing means you should do so with a wide range of hands.

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I don't think I would call with AQ in his shoes.
I think I would have. It is a close situation, but I think calling is correct. The typical player would make your move in the SB with a number of hands, so with AQ it could just as likely be against a worse ace as a bigger one. If it is behind then it is even money against a lot of hands that you could have done that with. Of course, later in the tournament it might be right to fold AQ in the BB, but I don't think that comes into it so far from the big money.

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If that is the case, I am essentially risking all my chips on a coin flip if he has a pair (unless they have AA or KK) to pick up the blinds.
Don't forget the ante, which, with your stack represents a worthy goal. You will have an excellent chance of succeeding in that goal of stealing the antes. When you are called and are ahead, you will usually be either just over 2-to-1 favourite or just under 3-to-1 favourite. When called and behind, you will usually be even money to double through. A good situation I would say. besides AA or KK the worse case scenario is that you get called and are even money to double through. Giving you an excellent chance in the tourney.

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As it happened, I had him badly dominated and he made exactly the mistake I had hoped for. But how often would that happen?
Quite often in that spot I would imagine. It is a very common tournament situation where one will have the other drawing to their kicker or overcard, and we usually are unsure which way round it will be until the cards are turned over.

Bottom line is that this is the type of situation where you have to be aggressive to get the dead money. When called and ahead you have to avoid getting unlucky, and when behind you have to get a little bit of luck. On shallow money, having the luck with you on these hands and confrontations is the difference between getting in the big money and finishing 31st. Much more so than skill, once you have cut out the big mistakes and thus reached a certain level of proficiency.
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 10:57 PM
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Noodles- how do you make it sound so simple?

Wiscer, I would have pushed allin. I also think it was a bad beat. You can win if he folds, and you can win if he doesn't hit his 3 outer. I don't have a problem with his call, however. You got it all in against 3 outs, which is about as good as you can hope on short money. Keep making good plays and the money will follow (at least that's what I tell myself).
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 11:13 PM
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Noodles- how do you make it sound so simple?
Well, it is..................







......................for me :wink:
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2002, 11:25 PM
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Thanks for your excellent reply, Noodles. Well thought out and presented, as always!
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2002, 12:42 AM
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Well, it wasn't thought out that much, and it probably wasn't very well presented either, but it certainly was a reply

Thanks Wiscer
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2002, 12:43 AM
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I am just hoping I do not have to post a Casino San Pablo $225 O8 post here on Thursday morning
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2002, 01:31 PM
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Wiscer

I saw the same exact thing happen this week at a live Tourney.
So it does happen...Just like gettin you're Aces cracked by KK


Tony D
 

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