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Loose Live Tourny... - Tue Oct 22, 2002, 06:41 AM
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Hi

This week will be my third "real live" tourny at my local casino (UK).

First week, played tight (so tight in fact I got a few comments, but most finished below me and spent more money...) and came 11th out of 24 starters - quite pleased but had a low chip count for most of the game. Last week not so good but stayed until after the "top up" with only one re-buy. I'm enjoying it anyway.

I have set myself a "one re-buy rule" - is this sensible? Theory being that it is "keeping it real" and ultimately making my play better in the long run, rather than trying to "buy" a potentially large chip count to help me later in the game.

Many of the players re-buy (£10) very often, sometimes almost every other hand! They also play hopeless hands which affects the whole flow of the game. This goes on for 2hrs until the re-buys end - I'ts costing some of them £100 in the first 2 hrs just to hang around.

I assume I should play tight until the re-buy ends then loosen up a little? Also, when is it worth buying a "top up" at the end of the re-buy and when is it not - ie. how many chips should you be holding to make a re-buy pointless?

£11 entry for 500 chips
£10 unlimited re-buy for 2hrs - 500 chips
£10 top up at end of re-buy period - 500 chips

Any thoughts on the above much appreciated.

Regards,

"Garglon"

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Re: Loose Live Tourny... - Tue Oct 22, 2002, 07:58 AM
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I have set myself a "one re-buy rule" - is this sensible? Theory being that it is "keeping it real" and ultimately making my play better in the long run, rather than trying to "buy" a potentially large chip count to help me later in the game.
fwiw, I'd say that's right.
The blind structure of these tournaments turns them into quite a crapshoot, but I fail to see how playing bad cards and hoping to 'get lucky' can make any sense at all. Every rebuy drops the odds those players are getting.

Wait for respectable hands and then bet them hard. Keep it cheap. Have fun.

btw, which casino Garglon?

Good luck
 
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Tue Oct 22, 2002, 02:21 PM
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I assume I should play tight until the re-buy ends
If all the action is preflop then yes. Just gamble preflop in favourable situations. If you can see the flop cheap then play hands that can flop big made hands or big draws. If you end up with a draw on flop then gamble if the odds are there.


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then loosen up a little?
Assuming play tightens up and the antes are worth stealing. Then, yes, loosen up on your steal raises, but not your calling.
 
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Tue Oct 22, 2002, 03:25 PM
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first may i welcome you to the forum
having not played with you in the school yet
(or not on a day i was making notes metal or written)
i cannot comment on your game but as i am going to play my first live game on monday which sounds very similar to the one you play at (your not from aberdeen are you) i know i am not going to take more than enough for a rebuy or 2 a few cokes(i got to drive home) and some petrol money with me.

i think playing tight should be the way to go and if you play tight you dont need many rebuys. if your playing tight and keep losing it's obviously not your night and time to walk luck could be with you the following week.

if you pay £100 to keep rebuying into a 24 person £10 tourny then IF you do win your not making enough to cover the costs to be able to do this on a long run.

my suggestion is if there is an average of 2 rebuys pers person in the tourny the MAX you take is 2.
if its an average of 1 rebuy per person the MAX you take is 1

if after you take your 1 or 2 rebuys and your bust out and there is still rebuys available take a walk to the bar buy a drink and WATCH the fun
 
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Tue Oct 22, 2002, 03:37 PM
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... petrol money ...
One of the earliest lessons I learned when playing poker was to fill the tank BEFORE entering the casino's parking lot.
 
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Tue Oct 22, 2002, 03:56 PM
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geezer would be ok if i can find a garage which offers 24 hr forecourt service in aberdeen but as i dont i will fill up on way home.
cause i cant be bothered getting out my car into my chair on a cold winters night aberdeen
 
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Thank You - Wed Oct 23, 2002, 06:18 AM
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Hi

Thank you all for your replies, I will take what you said on board and give it another whirl tonight!

Must remember to fill the car up on the way too...!

Regards,

Garglon
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2002, 09:03 AM
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Garglon wrote:-
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Also, when is it worth buying a "top up" at the end of the re-buy and when is it not - ie. how many chips should you be holding to make a re-buy pointless?
I'd really like to know the informed view on this as well.

As an example, suppose in your case Garglon at the end of the rebuy period you have 2500 in chips without rebuying, you've got £50 worth of chips for £10. I think Its got to be questionable to 'top up' here as you would be doubling your spend to £20 for only 500 chips more. But the question is where does one draw the line and decide not to 'top up'. Personally I just dont know.

For what its worth, and untill I hear or read anything better, my rule of thumb is that the 'top up' must be worth at least 25% of my stack after I paid for it or very close, or it just doesnt seem worth it. ( I realise this might be flawed thinking)

I Hope someone can answer this point.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2002, 11:15 AM
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when it comes to adding on, i just look at the other stacks at my table and around the room. if i am below average, then i add on, but if i am average to above aerage, then i dont. it just makes it much more difficult to play in the later stages of a tournament with a short stack. use the add on if you are below average in stack size. hope this helps,

jmuzzey lsogc
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2002, 04:43 PM
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jmussey i am starting to find it easier to play middle to late stage with a short stack people start to get too loose and start calling you with rags trying to knock you out and more often than not its the middle stage od a tourny where i will build up a stack to carry me to the the money.
when you have a big stack i over play hands like KQs or AJs and thats when i end up getting crippled.
 
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More loose tourny news - Sun Nov 03, 2002, 05:36 AM
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Hi

Very interesting replies, thank you all again.

Last week I found my self on the "loosest" table yet, with my opponents seemingly holding unlimited bankrolls...

The difficulty was: that to play any hand at all, you almost always had to go all in.

There were so many callers and so many re-buys that you had to make the decision on your starting hand and just go for it. I remember playing JJ and loosing - that's fine but it cost me my stack, then an AK which cost me another - I mean I was all in or almost all in before the flop even. On both occasions I was beaten by pretty poor starters that got lucky, which I fully accept is just one of those things and part of the game.

I need to play some cards, don't I? I sometimes wonder if I should try a "play no cards, except perhaps AA, KK until 10:00, re-buy just enough to pay for Blinds, top up 500 chips at 10:00 and see what happens after that" tactic - bit boring for a couple of hours though!

My point is, the play is more like I imagine a loose, aggressive cash game to be than a tourny.

Players are building huge stacks from a lucky run of hands, only to loose it all a couple of hands later - I think they may lack "tournament attitude"! With some of the stacks that are built, just waiting until 10:00, after the re-buy period ends, would give you a cracking chance at a money finish - but, alas, no.

One good thing came out of last week - one guy who always does well in the early stages, lost a huge stack over a series of a few hands - I have downgraded him from "most feared" - he is vulnerable too...

Garglon
 

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