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Special Seats - Sun Jan 30, 2011, 04:57 PM
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are there' special seat's that get great card's all the time seem's to be so many big bet's from the same seat all the time all the rest are losers besides the meduim hand that can almost make it seat but still wont hit the card it needs open ended str8 draw 10 j ?
 
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Special seats - Sun Jan 30, 2011, 05:10 PM
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No special seats, no fixed games, you just ran into a really aggressive player.

Good luck!!
 
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Sun Jan 30, 2011, 07:28 PM
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are there' special seat's that get great card's all the time seem's to be so many big bet's from the same seat all the time all the rest are losers besides the meduim hand that can almost make it seat but still wont hit the card it needs open ended str8 draw 10 j ?
yes special seat at every table.you do know that you can change your seat. just right click any player and take that seat and you can have the special seat.and WIN WIN WIN.......
 
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Sun Jan 30, 2011, 08:32 PM
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yes special seat at every table.you do know that you can change your seat. just right click any player and take that seat and you can have the special seat.and WIN WIN WIN.......
--Actually, only the position of the camera changes. All relative seat positions remain the same. So it's still rigged...lol
 
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Sun Jan 30, 2011, 08:40 PM
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seat position is still the same even if u switch your seat
 
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Sun Jan 30, 2011, 09:49 PM
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your right.............must be............. the poker gods......
 
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Sun Jan 30, 2011, 10:00 PM
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are there' special seat's that get great card's all the time seem's to be so many big bet's from the same seat all the time all the rest are losers besides the meduim hand that can almost make it seat but still wont hit the card it needs open ended str8 draw 10 j ?

IF YOU WANT THE SPECIAL SEAT YOU NEED TO SEND ME $1.00 PER TOURNEY

THEN I WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGGED SEAT

MUST SEND ONE HOUR BEFORE START TIME

THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK

 
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Don't Fall for the Scam - Sun Jan 30, 2011, 11:38 PM
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The real special seats are for sale by me. Don't fall for the imitations. Look at my rank. Unfortunately the seats r not very cheap. $10 a tourney. So, pick and choose wisely. Let me know via reply to this post only. I will not have anyone calling me a liar. I want everything out in the open. Thanks, Shark.
 
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Mon Jan 31, 2011, 12:07 AM
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I'm beginning to think that any seat this character occupies is a "special" seat.

Don't forget to wear you tin foil hat over your hockey helmet.
 
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Mon Jan 31, 2011, 01:48 AM
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Yes there are hot seats, and the program is rigged. But if you take time to learn the rigged system you may beable to figure out how to beat it. This is proof that PokerStars is rigged. I know the code and am getting close to being able to take full advantage of it.



*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #54145827236: Tournament #337856890, $3.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/12/12 10:42:33 MT [2010/12/12 12:42:33 ET]
Table '337856890 23' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: buggybike (2550 in chips)
Seat 2: dirtdigger13 (2984 in chips)
Seat 3: Evil911 (2680 in chips)
Seat 4: SampsonT (3935 in chips)
Seat 5: terryv21 (2482 in chips)
Seat 7: GABETE (2169 in chips)
Seat 8: snackbags (705 in chips)
Seat 9: Poncho Bowie (1770 in chips)
SampsonT: posts small blind 75
terryv21: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Poncho Bowie [Ts Tc]
GABETE: folds
snackbags: folds
Poncho Bowie: raises 1620 to 1770 and is all-in
buggybike: folds
dirtdigger13: folds
Evil911: folds
SampsonT: folds
terryv21: calls 1620
09 BigStack is connected
*** FLOP *** [3h Td 8s]
*** TURN *** [3h Td 8s] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [3h Td 8s 2d] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
terryv21: shows [8c 8h] (four of a kind, Eights)
Poncho Bowie: shows [Ts Tc] (a full house, Tens full of Eights)
terryv21 collected 3615 from pot
Poncho Bowie finished the tournament in 162nd place
GABETE said, "c'mon"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3615 | Rake 0
Board [3h Td 8s 2d 8d]
Seat 1: buggybike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dirtdigger13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Evil911 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SampsonT (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: terryv21 (big blind) showed [8c 8h] and won (3615) with four of a kind, Eights
Seat 7: GABETE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: snackbags folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Poncho Bowie showed [Ts Tc] and lost with a full house, Tens full of Eights


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PokerStars Game #54145656583: Tournament #337856890, $3.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2010/12/12 10:39:20 MT [2010/12/12 12:39:20 ET]
Table '337856890 23' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: buggybike (2725 in chips)
Seat 2: dirtdigger13 (3325 in chips)
Seat 3: Evil911 (2905 in chips)
Seat 4: SampsonT (4235 in chips)
Seat 5: terryv21 (1166 in chips)
Seat 6: foggy71 (2835 in chips)
Seat 7: GABETE (2169 in chips)
Seat 8: snackbags (930 in chips)
Seat 9: Poncho Bowie (1820 in chips)
Poncho Bowie: posts small blind 50
buggybike: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Poncho Bowie [5d 7d]
GABETE said, "he didn't know how to protect his pair on flop and now he's mad"
dirtdigger13: raises 300 to 400
Evil911: folds
SampsonT: folds
SampsonT said, "yup"
terryv21: raises 766 to 1166 and is all-in
foggy71: folds
GABETE: folds
snackbags: folds
Poncho Bowie: folds
buggybike: folds
dirtdigger13: calls 766
SampsonT said, "sore loser"
*** FLOP *** [Qh Tc Td]
*** TURN *** [Qh Tc Td] [8h]
GABETE said, "wow"
GABETE said, "vnh"
*** RIVER *** [Qh Tc Td 8h] [9h]
dirtdigger13 said, "lol nh"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dirtdigger13: shows [8s 8d] (a full house, Eights full of Tens)
terryv21: shows [Th Ts] (four of a kind, Tens)
SampsonT said, "vnh"
terryv21 collected 2482 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2482 | Rake 0
Board [Qh Tc Td 8h 9h]
Seat 1: buggybike (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: dirtdigger13 showed [8s 8d] and lost with a full house, Eights full of Tens
Seat 3: Evil911 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SampsonT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: terryv21 showed [Th Ts] and won (2482) with four of a kind, Tens
Seat 6: foggy71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: GABETE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: snackbags (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Poncho Bowie (small blind) folded before Flop



The following was given to me in strictest confidence, by an extremely reliable source.

ONLINE POKER:

The games are rigged and that's a fact. But, not as most people have imagined.

The site uses a 'Random' card selection process for the 'Hole Cards', and it truly is Random.
But here is where the 'rigging' comes in. It is divided into two separate parts. Separate but connected. And this is how it works:-

PART ONE:

The game programme lists all participants until registration is closed. This list can be viewed in the Tourney Lobby.
Each player is assigned a letter, (which cannot be viewed), 'a' through 'i' for a nine seater table tournament and 'a' through 'f' for a six seater etc.

On each table the random hole cards are dealt out. Then, and this is where the uncertainty factor plays a big part, depending on which players fold pre-flop, depends which player is 'programmed' to win.

For instance, the 'Hole Cards, are dealt out thusly:- Player designated 'a' 7c2d ; player 'b' Ts8h ; player 'c' AsKs ; player 'd' JsJd ; player 'e' 5d9c ; player 'f' Qs3d ; player 'g' Kc8s ; player 'h' Qd6c and player 'i' JhTh.

Player 'i' is SB ; 'a' is BB ; 'd' UTG ; 'c' is utg+1 and 'b' is the next seat. Pre-flop betting was UTG 3XBB ; call, call, fold, fold, fold, fold, call, call.

(Remember that letter designation is NOT seat designation).
Now the order to win any hand is always 'a' first 'i' last.
So because 'a' is still in the hand, the FLOP must help player 'a', and the selected winning hand must be for 'a'. The winning hand is now selected, and 'QUAD 2's' is chosen.

The Programme now goes to the next decision choice (this again is done 'Randomly'), and the decision isin three parts, 1. Give 'a' the final winning hand on the flop. 2. Give 'a' two of the winning hand cards on the flop, or 3. Give 'a' one of the winning hand cards on the flop.
Let us assume that the programme selects option three.
In option three, because only one of the predetermined cards will be dealt on the flop, there is a possibility that 'a' will fold his hand after the flop, and therefore a subroutine runs, which selects a second card for the flop which will assist the next player in line (in this case 'b').

The FLOP now comes: 2h 9h Jc .

Everyone has caught a little at least. Player 'a' a pair of Two's, player 'b' an open ended straight draw, player 'c' Ace King high with an outside chance of runner runner straight draw, player 'd' Three of a kind Jacks and player 'i' a pair of Jacks, a possible flush draw, the possibility of a runner runner straight flush draw and a runner runner straight draw.
First to act is player 'i' SB, he is mesmerised by all the hearts and the possibilities for him winning, that he bets 5XBB. BB player 'a' who has been 'programmed' to win this hand, sees that he only has a pair of deuces and decides, that even though he is usually an any two cards player, 5XBB is just a little too much, and opts to fold. Player 'd', utg, has trip Jacks and elects to slow play and just call. Next player 'c' has only Ace high and also opts to fold. Player 'b' calls with his open ended straight draw.
Because player 'a' is no longer involved in the hand, player 'b' (next in sequence) becomes the designated winner.
However, the previously selected winning hand of Quad 2's is now no longer valid, as dealing two more deuces to the board would give player 'b' three of a kind two's whereas player 'd' would have a full house Jacks over two's. Therefore a new winning hand must be formulated. A second subroutine now calculates a winning hand with player 'b' as the beneficiary. A Queen high straight is chosen.
The programme now has the choice again of when to deal the winning card. Option 1. on the Turn or option 2. on the River?
Let us assume the programme selects option 2.
The Turn card is 8c. Again everyone has a little something.
First to act, player 'i' still has a pair of Jacks, the flush draw, and now has a definite straight draw. He is still enamoured by his cards and again bets 5XBB. Player 'd' still has trip Jacks, sees that there is a possible flush and straight on the board, but having played with thesetwo other for a while, beleives that neither of them has hit yet, and comes over the top with an all-in bet, in order to take the pot down now, rather than chance one or the other hitting on the River.
Player 'b' now finds that he has a pair of eights and an open ended straight draw, but to call player 'd's bet would put him all-in, so decides to fold and await a better opportunity later. Player 'i' still believes that he will win with all the outs he has, and calling the all-in would not put him all-in, so he opts to call.
Now player 'b' is no longer in the hand, and so the designated winner has again to be amended. Player 'c' was next in line, but he folded after the flop. So the next in line still in the hand is player 'c' who is holding three of a kind Jacks. Now the previously selected winning hand of Queen high straight would give the win to player 'i' and not 'd', so the subroutine now has to recalculate a winning had in favour this time of player 'd'. Player 'd' is already holding a winning hand JJJ, so any card not a Queen, seven or heart will give the win to 'd'.
The programme selects 2c.
Player 'd' wins the hand with a full house Jacks over deuces.

On the face of it, it would appear that the best hand won, with the winning player using acceptable tactics with the best starting hand. Everyone says 'Nice Hand' 'Well Played', 'Good Game', and everyone is happy.

Now let us return to the beginning of the hand, and player 'a' as well as being an any two cards player is also a shove all player.
The hand now plays like this:-
Player 'd' utg bets 3XBB with his pocket Jacks, call, call, fold, fold, fold, fold, call, ALL-IN. Player 'd' thinks his Jacks good enough to call the all-in and so calls, player 'c' with his AK suited also calls and is all-in, everyone else folds.
The players cards are now exposed. On the boardis seen JsJd for player 'd' ; AsKs for player 'c' and 7c2d for player 'a'. Comments such as 'What a DONK' and 'Stupid idiot, deserves everything he gets' come from some of the other players, and 'c' and 'd' think that the hand is a race between those two and that 'a' is out of it.
Same selection process as previous, i.e. winning hand Quad Two's and One of the winning cards on the flop.
Flop: 2h9hJc. Player 'c' knows that unless he hits a Ten and a Queen on the Turn and River. his tournament is over. Player 'd' thinks that with trip Jacks he can't lose, as do the other players and spectators.
Turn 2s. Player 'c' now knows he can't possibly win and says 'Bye everyone , good game, and good luck'. Player 'd' now has a full house Jacks over Two's and is already mentally raking in the chips as he can;t lose, because player 'a' only has three of a kind Two's and even if the board pairs or a seven comes on the River he will still be behind, and player 'd' wins.
KERBLAM..........WRONG....River is dealt 2c giving player 'a' Quad 2's and taking down the pot.

This is when the shit hits the fan, and comments come thick and fast, ;What a Suck out' , ;Stupid Donk play' , 'Bad Beat' etc. etc. etc.
No use ranting and raving that the site is fixed, IT IS FIXED, but not in the way most people mean, It is 'Fixed' 'RANDOMLY'.

If the Player designated as 'a', having eliminated sufficient ooponents that the table is closed, is moved to another table, or is 'Randomly' moved to fill up spaces, then his designation of 'a' will no longer pertain and he will be redesignated to the first missing letter at the new table. If this happens to be 'a' because the previous 'a' has been 'Randomly' reassigned, then all well and good, and he will continue his winning streak. But if his re designation is 'i', he will suddenly find himself on a massive losing streak. He may well go on tilt at this point and play himself out of the tourney.
This is the 'Major' reason that 'Donks' rarely make it to the final stages, they continue to play as if designated 'a' when they have been re designated 'i' .

This situation remains until registration is closed.

PART TWO:

Stage One.

The programme 'Randomly' numbers all participants regardless of whether they have already been eliminated.

If the participant numbered 1 haqs already been eliminated, then the participant numbered 2 is selected. If this person has also been eliminated, then the process is repeated until the first numbered person not to have been eliminated is reach, and that person becomes the designated winner.

We now get to the subtle part.
The programme now interact with another subroutine, that only allows 75% of hands as 'winners' for the player designated winner.
One in four hands now dealt to the designated winner, is a 'Losing Hand'. So if the designated player is a 'shove it all in on any two cards' type player, then there is a good chance that he will be eliminated long before the final stages, as he may overplay a losing hand when one of the other players 'Randomly' receives a Monster e.g. AA. Thus giving the appearance that 'Skill' prevails.
Even though one in four hands is designated a 'loser', this does not necessarily mean that the designated player WILL lose that hand. The hand would be played totally randomly, so the designated player could still win it.

On each individual table, the lowest numbered player is designated 'winner' for that table. If another player is moved to that table with a lower number, or if that player is subsequently moved to another table, and there is a lower numbered player there, he will no longer be the designated winner But, unlike in the previous section ('a' through 'i' designations) he will not be allocated a new number. This too gives the appearance of 'Randomness' as these players will seem to be experiencing a run of good luck and then a run of bad luck, and if the lower numbered players are again 'Random;y' moved, he will be back on a run of good luck. The vast majority of people expect this kind of thing to happen in Poker. So everything appears 'Normal'.
If the designated player is an average to good player, he will be more selective in the hands he will play. In this case, even though he has been allocated 75% winners, he will, in all probability, not play all of the allocated winning hand. and will occasionally. because of the 'Random' dealing of the 'Hole Cards'. play some of the losing hands at least until after the flop. This again will disguise the fact that he is the pre-programmed winner. If the designated player goes all-in on any of the losing hands, he will be allowed to lose that hand, and if this puts him out of the competition, then then the next person in sequence becomes the designated winner.

This state of affairs continues until there has been 50% of the total entry has been eliminated.

Then Stage Two kicks in.

STAGE TWO:

The designated winner during stage two, will only be allowed to lose if certain conditions are met. And these are: 1. If the player elects to sit out for the remainder of the tourney and the Blinds and ante's force him all-in, then his hand will be folded, and the next player in line will become the designated winner. 2. If the player has NOT gone all-in pre-flop on a losing hand, but Does go all-in at a stage where it is impossible for him to receive the winning hand, then he will be eliminated. e.g. Designated player holds Jh7h and all fold excepting himself and BB who holds AhKh, in a losing hand, and the flop is 6hQh3h. Since it is now impossible for the designated player to win this hand, as he cannot, with any remaining combination of two cards, form a hand that is superior to his opponents. If he now goes all-in, then he will be allowed to lose, and the next player in line becomes the designated winner.
In all other cases, if he has gone all-in and it is possible for the player to receive the winning hand, even though this was designated as a losing hand, then the designated player will win.

It is assumed by the programmers, that by this stage of the tourney, most of the shoveall-in with any two cards type players, will have been eliminated.
The Programmers have also taken into consideration, Human fallibility, so if the designated player declines to play hands but is not 'Sat Out', and is forced all-in by the Blinds and ante's, he will be given the winning hands until such time as he is no longer forced all-in.

STAGE THREE:

Heads Up,

In the Heads up stage of the tourney, the designated player will be given 80% winning hands.(100% if he elects to go all in, even on a losing hand). It is assumed that by this stage no-one will try to bluff all-in on the Turn or the River, with a hand that cannot possibly win, but in the unlikely event that this does occur, if the programme cannot find a combination of the cards still to come, that would enable the designated player to win the hand, then the first time that this situation arises the opponents hand will be folded even though the player makes the call. (it is hoped that this will be viewed as a glitch or a mis-touch of the mouse by the losing player). If however this situation arises again, then the designated player will be allowed to lose and his opponent win.
'Hole Cards' are still 'Randomly' distributed which enhances the appearances of 'Randomness' throughout the game. Even though the designated player will win four out of every five hands, if he plays them all, it would still not appear odd, as every player will have experienced a time where everything seems to go right for one player, and wrong for the other, no matter what cards they hold.
For example: The designated player, at heads up, only plays a hand if at least one of his 'Hole Cards' is a Ten or above, unless they are connecters in which case 6+. He begins the session Chip Lead, 2X his opponents stack, and receives no 'Hoke Cards' higher than nine and no connecters, except during losing hands, (which he loses), for a considerable period of time, and is now down to the point where he is all-in for the Blinds and ante. From now until he is back above the automatic all-in he will be dealt only winning hands, This fluctuating state will continue until 'chance' grants him a run of 'Hole Cards' consisting of a least one card Ten or above. At this point he begins to accimmulate chips, and everyone congratulates him on a terrific recovery, and he goes on to win the tourney.

End of Story.

Or is it?

The site 'Owners' have unrestricted access to the programme, and in particular to a sub-routine, which allows authorised personnel to 'Flag' individual clients, to either have them always designated 'i' in tournaments, (if that individual is on their 'Blacklist'), or at designation 'a', or anywhere in between, depending upon their status vis-a-vis the 'Management'. Thus providing a 'Leg up' the ladder, so to speak, for favoured clients, and holding back or penalising unfavoured clientele.

They also have the ability to change the part two numbering in favour of whosoever they choose. So if the 'Management decide that a certain person has been of particular help to them, or has made a sufficiently large bribe. That person can be allocated 'a' in part one and 1 in part two, thus guaranteeing the win.
 
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Mon Jan 31, 2011, 01:59 AM
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Poncho is BACK!

Get that smiley dog a steak. Or, a stake.
 
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Mon Jan 31, 2011, 08:58 AM
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i got in contact with upper management of pokerstars to inquire about me being placed in the special seat
they in turn gave me an e-mail address of one of the pro players here whom i'm not allowed to mention by name
well was i in for a suprise!!!
this player said that he would fly to me and meet me behind a walmart and i would have to....
for...... and still say "thank you sir"
then i would be placed in the special seat every time but would still have to pay back 50% of everything i won

so at least i'm able to stay in the top 1k after fighting all the crappy cards that have been thrown at me for telling him "NO WAY!!!"


 

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