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This Is EPIC...!! - Mon Jan 31, 2011, 05:54 AM
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Okay, first off let me begin by saying that I could fill a friggin book w/ hand analysis, comments, questions, concerns.. But what makes this particular example so special is my comment recorded in the HH.. I'll address the initial hand which is the impetus for my commentary.. Following the hands I'll be sure to add a few more words.. Take particular note of the PoF (my short-hand for Post Flop) action in the first hand.. So, w/out further ado, enjoy:

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PokerStars Game #56863064216: Tournament #358189631, $0.50+$0.05 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/01/31 4:33:08 ET
Table '358189631 46' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: texas tijuan (8850 in chips)
Seat 2: 1972Rico (3000 in chips)
Seat 3: panos71 (4245 in chips)
Seat 4: rob4x4900 (3225 in chips)
Seat 5: ClubbedNuts (6575 in chips)
Seat 6: Suila62 (2160 in chips)
Seat 7: Dehny (4035 in chips)
Seat 8: calul78 (4240 in chips)
Seat 9: Yawg1985 (4825 in chips)
rob4x4900: posts small blind 25
ClubbedNuts: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ClubbedNuts [2c Kd]
Suila62: calls 50
Dehny: folds
calul78: calls 50
Yawg1985: folds
texas tijuan: calls 50
1972Rico: calls 50
panos71: folds
rob4x4900: raises 50 to 100
ClubbedNuts: folds
Suila62: calls 50
calul78: calls 50
texas tijuan: calls 50
1972Rico: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [6s 4s 2s]
rob4x4900: bets 150
Suila62: calls 150
calul78: folds
texas tijuan: folds
1972Rico: calls 150
*** TURN *** [6s 4s 2s] [9s]
rob4x4900: bets 850
Suila62: calls 850
1972Rico: calls 850
*** RIVER *** [6s 4s 2s 9s] [7s]
rob4x4900: bets 950
Suila62: raises 110 to 1060 and is all-in
1972Rico: raises 840 to 1900 and is all-in
rob4x4900: calls 950
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1972Rico: shows [As 6h] (a flush, Ace high)
rob4x4900: shows [Ks Ts] (a flush, King high)
1972Rico collected 1680 from side pot
Suila62: shows [8c Js] (a flush, Jack high)
1972Rico collected 6730 from main pot
Suila62 finished the tournament in 1484th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8410 Main pot 6730. Side pot 1680. | Rake 0
Board [6s 4s 2s 9s 7s]
Seat 1: texas tijuan folded on the Flop
Seat 2: 1972Rico showed [As 6h] and won (8410) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: panos71 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rob4x4900 (small blind) showed [Ks Ts] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 5: ClubbedNuts (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Suila62 showed [8c Js] and lost with a flush, Jack high
Seat 7: Dehny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: calul78 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Yawg1985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

The fact that both Rico1972 and Suila62 called down to the river is why I commented in the following HH here (durrrrr):

*********** # 16 **************
PokerStars Game #56863111601: Tournament #358189631, $0.50+$0.05 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/01/31 4:35:24 ET
Table '358189631 46' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: texas tijuan (8750 in chips)
Seat 2: 1972Rico (8185 in chips)
Seat 3: panos71 (4245 in chips)
Seat 4: rob4x4900 (750 in chips)
Seat 5: ClubbedNuts (6500 in chips)
Seat 6: maliyyyy (3000 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 7: Dehny (3810 in chips)
Seat 8: calul78 (4090 in chips)
Seat 9: Yawg1985 (4825 in chips)
Dehny: posts small blind 25
calul78: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ClubbedNuts [Qs Ah]
Yawg1985: folds
texas tijuan: calls 50
1972Rico: calls 50
ClubbedNuts said, "I cant believe what some people call down with"
panos71: folds
rob4x4900: folds
ClubbedNuts: raises 150 to 200
Dehny: calls 175
calul78: folds
texas tijuan: calls 150
1972Rico: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Ks Ts]
Dehny: checks
texas tijuan: checks
ClubbedNuts: bets 700
Dehny: calls 700
texas tijuan: folds
*** TURN *** [7c Ks Ts] [2h]
Dehny: checks
ClubbedNuts: bets 2150
Dehny: calls 2150
*** RIVER *** [7c Ks Ts 2h] [4d]
Dehny: checks
ClubbedNuts: bets 450
Dehny: calls 450
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ClubbedNuts: shows [Qs Ah] (high card Ace)
Dehny: shows [7s 9s] (a pair of Sevens)
Dehny collected 7300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7300 | Rake 0
Board [7c Ks Ts 2h 4d]
Seat 1: texas tijuan folded on the Flop
Seat 2: 1972Rico folded before Flop
Seat 3: panos71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rob4x4900 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ClubbedNuts (button) showed [Qs Ah] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: Dehny (small blind) showed [7s 9s] and won (7300) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 8: calul78 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Yawg1985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Now, the fact that I got caught bluffing is irrelevant.. My point is, and even though this is a $0.55 MTT, there has still got to be some order of decency in one's play, right..? (Sarcastic and rhetorical).. I would also like to add that I was knocked out of a $3.30 just prior to this one not more than 10 or so hands from ITM by some dingus calling my all in bet on the turn w/ myself holding Qs-Qh on a 6s-8s-Js-x board and this clown busts me w/ As-Td.. Guess what the river card produced..? There's obviously no need for me to state the answer here; this is PokerStars we're talking about (Ac ).. It's like being in a boat w/ someone you can't stand to begin with, and having them clumsily wrap their fishing line around your neck after they hooked your upper lip on their back-stroke only to come up w/ a 16# Northern Pike using a portion of your lip as an inadvertent peice of bait.. Anyway, enough w/ the analogies.. I need to go find my asprin bottle..

Last edited by ClubbedNuts; Mon Jan 31, 2011 at 05:58 AM.. Reason: misspellings
 
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Mon Jan 31, 2011, 01:22 PM
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Wait, what's epic?
 
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Mon Jan 31, 2011, 03:23 PM
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I know where you are going with the "how could they call with a pair of 7's?" question, but why did you bloat the pot size with the big bet on the flop and turn?? You didnt hit anything, so basically you just had a draw or an A high hand. You basically playing for a jack to complete the straight, or an ace if you thought TP was good.

If I was on the other side of the table to you, I would be suprised to see you show up with AQ - unless your point was that you turned your hand into a bluff and got called by 77.

AQ is nice starting hand but if you dont make anything its just A high. I think I would have been slightly less keen to make pot size bets.

J
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2011, 06:16 PM
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Completely understandable, J.. But my point here is that many people seem to call-down w/ ATC hoping to catch something... granted, this individual was on a flush draw, but my question still stands: why call such large bets w/ a pair of 7's and the board showing OC's to that pair..? But either way, it played out poorly for me..

PLEASE HELP..! Any assistance will do..

Thanks in advance..

Last edited by ClubbedNuts; Sun Feb 06, 2011 at 04:32 AM..
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2011, 08:38 PM
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Well first off this isn't a bad beat.

He's calling because a pair+FD has good equity against your range. Both this hand and the 3.30 bust out you posted, you were seriously overplaying a weak holding. It seems like this may be your biggest problem currently. And if the guy with the pair+FD has seen you overplay ace high like this before, he's not going to fold a hand that may be winning right now and has outs to improve to a very strong holding.

Additionally, the river bet is really not good. Once he calls the bomb on the turn, he's either got a made hand he's never folding with most of his stack already in the middle, or he's got a draw. You beat all busted draws with nut-no-pair so just check it down. Your river bet is only folding worse hands and is always getting called by better.
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2011, 09:21 PM
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I hear ya, Lang.. But as far as the 3.30 hand w/ pocket Q's goes, I was effectively short-stacked in relation to the avg stack size, in addition to most of the table.. I'm not sure I agree w/ your opinion of my Q's as being a weak holding.. After all, I was still top pair in relation to the board w/ a flush draw to boot.. Granted, villain was on a nut FD, he/she was still ragged prior to landing the case river card w/ odds of ~5:1 against the villain, which was significantly disproportionate to the pot odds.. Now, don't get me wrong, your opinion is valued and I'm understanding that you are of the table dynamics..

However, thank you for your opinion and advice to check-down in the bluffing situation.. In retrospect; clearly the better option..! I was trying to buy the pot as I was hoping my stack size produced more fold equity.. Prior to this, I was playing very TAG poker and hoped the combination produced a fold..

Last edited by ClubbedNuts; Sun Feb 06, 2011 at 04:27 AM..
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2011, 09:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by archide View Post
Wait, what's epic?
Sorry, arch.. Perhaps I should've indicated the incredibly loose dynamic at this table and offered the fact that players were calling w/ meager holdings.. This is the reason for the inclusion of the first HH as well as the highlighted text in the second HH.. I simply found great humor in the fact that I just commented on the looseness of the table only to get called down by an individual w/ poor pot odds to call my bets w/ meager holdings.. Perhaps Epic was a poor choice of words.. Sorry for the confusion..
 
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Thu Feb 03, 2011, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ClubbedNuts View Post
I hear ya, Lang.. But as far as the 3.30 hand w/ pocket Q's goes, I was effectively short-stacked in relation to the avg stack size, in addition to most of the table.. I'm not sure I agree w/ your opinion of my Q's as being a weak holding..
Sorry, I didn't see a QQ hand... I was referring to the 44 hand that you got all in with as an underpair to the board.
 
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Sat Feb 05, 2011, 01:54 AM
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No prob, Lang.. And as far as the pocket 4's, I'm in agreement w/ you there.. I guess I got a little over-zealous.. Thanks for the input.. Always helpful and appreciated..

Last edited by ClubbedNuts; Sun Feb 06, 2011 at 04:29 AM..
 
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Sat Feb 05, 2011, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by archide View Post
Wait, what's epic?
Epic method of couching a bad beat whine into a request for hand analysis,on the hand analysis forum.
 
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Sun Feb 06, 2011, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JDean View Post
Epic method of couching a bad beat whine into a request for hand analysis,on the hand analysis forum.
If you actually take a moment to read the text and comprehend the meaning and dynamic of it, you'd probably be able to recognize this as a humorous view of the situation w/ a request for 'positive feedback'.. My immediate reaction to the hand was a good laugh followed by a 20min smile across my face; well worth the price of admission.. If you think of anything valuable to add to the conversation, I'd be happy to listen.. Until then, silence is golden..
 
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Wed Feb 09, 2011, 12:48 AM
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Wait, what's epic?
the fact that in the end there were 9 spades laying on the table of 11 cards. Each player held a spade which was an over-card to the board. It's mathematically epic!
 

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