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quiz question - Tue Feb 01, 2011, 08:18 AM
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Please someone give me the right answer:
- You are holding and the board reads
How many outs do you have to make a straight? 0,4,8

Please help me with this question. Thanks
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2011, 09:52 PM
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you have 4 sixes and 4 nines to make the straight total of 8.... but I would never hope to make that 1 lol
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2011, 10:44 PM
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you have 4 sixes and 4 nines to make the straight total of 8.... but I would never hope to make that 1 lol
quoting for laughs

you have 0 outs.
 
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Wed Feb 02, 2011, 06:24 AM
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Thanks for your answers. But which one is correct, I think there is possibility to draw a straight if you get 4,6 or 6,9. But I doubt in terms of calculation of total outs for a straight. can you please explain why you think 0?
Thanks
 
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Wed Feb 02, 2011, 07:38 AM
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Answer is in the basic course, go read it 20 times as you clearly don't understand it.
 
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Wed Feb 02, 2011, 05:40 PM
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An out refers to catching one card to complete a hand. Since you need both a 6 and 9 to make a straight, you have 0 outs.
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Wed Feb 02, 2011, 06:28 PM
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An out refers to catching one card to complete a hand. Since you need both a 6 and 9 to make a straight, you have 0 outs.
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Typical back door str8 (open ended) and flush draws are the equivalent of a little over one out. For this double str8 draw being not yet open-ended it is a little less than one out.
 
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Thu Feb 03, 2011, 12:57 AM
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Thank you very much for your answers. Now I can understand why0 is the correct answer.
Thank you all.
 
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Thu Feb 03, 2011, 05:41 AM
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Typical back door str8 (open ended) and flush draws are the equivalent of a little over one out. For this double str8 draw being not yet open-ended it is a little less than one out.
Wrong, backdoor is worth a little LESS than 1 out (for straight its about 0.9 and flush is 1.1 afaik), this "draw" is even less than that, half out at best.

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Mon Feb 07, 2011, 11:56 AM
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Wrong, backdoor is worth a little LESS than 1 out (for straight its about 0.9 and flush is 1.1 afaik), this "draw" is even less than that, half out at best.
I decided to delve into the math of this a little deeper.

A standard draw to one your for the turn and river hits 4.30% of the time.

A backdoor flush draw (3 cards to the flush) hits 4.16% of the time.

A back door strait draw is a bit more complicated however. In the most simple case, a 3 card strait (like T98) you have 8 outs (J or 7) that give you an open ended draw on the river and 8 outs(Q or 6) that give a gut shot on the river. This combo hits 4.44% of the time. This is functionally equivalent to the case presented by OP where a 6 or 9 on the turn gives an OESD and a 4 or Q gives the gutter ball.

So the flush and the strait backdoor draws are essentially the same as 1 out.
 
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Mon Feb 07, 2011, 12:08 PM
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as i am sure the op apreciates all this feedback of an in depth look into the odds and outs of this hand i feel that the op should be reminded that unless you are BB and limped to and checked post flop you should never be in this position because it is a losing hand
so unless your getting a free ride i would never bet/call this hand
but there again if you get this free ride to the turn and you don't hit and again all players have checked to you then i would place a modest bet because most likely no one has hit and appear to be passive so why not try to steal the pot at that point



ps why am i giving advice??
 
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Mon Feb 07, 2011, 12:10 PM
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Please someone give me the right answer:
- You are holding and the board reads
How many outs do you have to make a straight? 0,4,8

Please help me with this question. Thanks
is this even on the quiz???

 
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Mon Feb 07, 2011, 04:38 PM
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it's above 0 since you have runner runner straight chances. But not sure why you would want to know this since your hand isn't very strong regardless. =)
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 05:16 PM
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The Answer is none of the above but 12 outs.

You can make Two different straights.

10(9) 87(6) your outs are 4x 9s & 4x 6s

You can also make a straight
87(6)5(4) 4x 6s & 4x 4s

So you have total of 12 Outs
4x 9s + 4x 6s + 4x 4s = 12 outs
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 05:23 PM
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But is still a deceptive question because you have to get One of the 12 outs next. The Outs for the last card would then depend on which one you got. You would have either 4 outs to catch the 6; for the 9 or 4;
or 8 outs if you got the 6 to catch either the 9 or 4.

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