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Why limping is a bad idea - Wed Feb 02, 2011, 10:57 PM
DashMN's Avatar
Since: Dec 2010
Posts: 9
Below are two hands I had in one of the PSO Warmup Qualifiers. In both, I was the big blind and was dealt 73o. In both, I flopped (or would have flopped) the winning hand. One subtle difference between the two made all the difference in the world. I'm posting the results because I think it matters in this example. By no means am I a poker master, but I'm still baffled by how much limping I see going on in the various PSO tourneys.

For all of my limitations as a poker player, there's one thing I understand. Poker is more of a betting game than a card game. People call the shove monkeys "bingo players", but at the other end, I maintain that the chronic limpers are just as much bingo players. In fact, I would call the shove monkeys roulette players and the chronic limpers bingo players. Like the roulette player, the shove monkey bets his stack on the outcome before it occurs. The chronic limper buys one bingo card after another waiting for their number to get called so they can shout out "Bingo!" (i.e. make a strong bet.)

I can't say that the players in the 1st example were chronic limpers, but they did limp into that particular hand.

Well, anyway, enjoy.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 0 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t9221)
MP2 (t4574)
MP3 (t3925)
CO (t3165)
Button (t3263)
SB (t2015)
Hero (BB) (t3265)
UTG (t2390)

Hero's M: 21.77

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 7
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t100, MP1 calls t100, 3 folds, Button calls t100, SB calls t50, Hero checks

Flop: (t500) 7, A, 7 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t100, UTG+1 raises to t500, 1 fold, Button calls t500, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1400, UTG+1 calls t900 (All-In), Button calls t900

Turn: (t4700) Q (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets t1765 (All-In), Button calls t1763 (All-In)

River: (t8226) 6 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: t8226

Button had J, A (two pair, Aces and sevens).
Hero had 3, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
UTG+1 had A, 6 (two pair, Aces and sevens).
Outcome: Hero won t8226

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 0 Tournament, 150/300 Blinds 25 Ante (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t2880)
UTG+1 (t6635)
MP1 (t6689)
MP2 (t431)
CO (t15633)
Button (t3296)
SB (t30366)
Hero (BB) (t4235)

Hero's M: 6.52

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 3
2 folds, MP1 bets t600, 3 folds, SB calls t450, Hero Folds

Flop: (t1700) 6, 4, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets t900, SB calls t900

Turn: (t3500) Q (2 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets t1200, SB raises to t3300, MP1 raises to t5164 (All-In), SB calls t1864

River: (t13828) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t13828

SB had 9, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
MP1 had K, K (two pair, Kings and Queens).
Outcome: SB won t13828
Thu Feb 03, 2011, 12:03 AM
PanickyPoker's Avatar
Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 3,168
I love your bingo/roulette analogy. I've watched a lot of professional poker coverage and training videos from games with pros, and I'm impressed with how there really isn't much 3betting or 4betting at all in any of the league or microlimit games. Unless it's the loveable minraise, minraise, minraise, minraise, minraise, minraise, minraise, all-in, call. People just seem to get jittery and shove, or panicky and fold. Quite interesting.

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