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A potentially controvertial idea to change the Skill League structure - Sat Feb 05, 2011, 07:20 AM
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I would also like to see a difference in the structure of the tourney that SHOULD make it more refelective of the true SKILL of the poker player.

If the tourney was structured in a way that you could only play 1 tourney a day (out of the same number of tourney's available), people that are UNABLE to play ALL tourneys EVERY day (or as near as!) can still actually compete and potentially cash.

I took a snapshot of some very high placed players v some lower ranked players and the results are of a significant difference if applied in this particular way.

I took just 1 tourneys results per day and then re-ran the numbers.... (not the best of each day - but the first if multiple tourneys played in one day) and the numbers are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Yes - some of those top ranked players would still be upo there - BUT some of them wouldn't - and that applied also to some of the obviously GOOD players further down the rankings that on a FAIR playing field would be mch higher rankng due to their SKILL.

What I am suggesting is that there are some very capable players who are not able to play the 6 (?) games available that would give some of the 'high rollers" a run for their money on a LEVEL playing field.

Surely the idea of PSO and the SKILL league is to reward the BEST players - not those that can PLAY more games.

Please note that I am not suggesting that the "top" players are not good players - I just believe that the structure as it stands is not allowing ALOT of v.good players to compete fairly.
 
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Sat Feb 05, 2011, 09:59 AM
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Surely the idea of PSO and the SKILL league is to reward the BEST players - not those that can PLAY more games.
You couldn't be more wrong.

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Dark Man is Right - Sat Feb 05, 2011, 12:53 PM
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The real problem with the Skill League is not the number of tournaments - it's the structure. The blinds go up much too fast to give more experienced players an edge. Pokerstars is the best site on the Internet for learning to play MTT. That's because of the way its tournaments are structured with blind levels that increase very gradually. That gives lots of room to play the way tournament experts such as Dan Harrington & Daniel Negreanu recommend. But in the Skill League, the blinds are too big relative to one's stack too quickly to permit that.
 
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Darkman is right - Sun Feb 06, 2011, 08:43 AM
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Besides the why would the PSO WANT to let us play less, to me anyone who can continually navagate the minefield of a PSO tourn 6 times a day deserves some praise (and possibly a seditive). Good luck this month whichever path you take and have a good one!!! lasthippie
 
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So much for enlightenment...... - Tue Feb 08, 2011, 11:15 AM
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You couldn't be more wrong.

Darkman books another poor soul into a weeks stay at camp enlightenment
If you think that you're "enlightening" me with a comment of "your wrong" I suppose I really must bow to the better knowledge that you obvioulsy have.

However, enlightenment would be better experienced with an explanation attached as opposed to an "I'm better than you" approach.

Try reading the Post again and offering some sort of your reasoning to your response. If you are unable to do that due to the fact that your ability to play more games is your comfort factor of being able to cash and feel threatened by an honest suggestion then don't bother replying at all and the assumption that i have just made is therefore, by default, shown to be correct.

By the way, I actually think that you would be one of the players that would still be "up there" as your game seems of a fairly high consticency rate as opposed to some in your position (or there or there abouts) are not.

Please re-read and take on board the overall concept of what is being said .

Thanks and GL.

Andy
 
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I don't Disagree..... - Tue Feb 08, 2011, 11:29 AM
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The real problem with the Skill League is not the number of tournaments - it's the structure. The blinds go up much too fast to give more experienced players an edge. Pokerstars is the best site on the Internet for learning to play MTT. That's because of the way its tournaments are structured with blind levels that increase very gradually. That gives lots of room to play the way tournament experts such as Dan Harrington & Daniel Negreanu recommend. But in the Skill League, the blinds are too big relative to one's stack too quickly to permit that.
However, what I am offering is an IDEA. Perhaps by limiting the no. of tournaments as I have suggested - COUPLED with your IDEA then perhaps the SKILL league would hold even MORE value.

This would also mean in a roundabout sort of way that the Tournament you chose to play in would in fact take longer and again be more meaningful.

I haven't put down Pokerstars in any way - I am offering an OPINION because I think it is worth improving even further.

I'm not trying to get an "exclusive" - I'm trying to see how people feel - there are many threads here by people that are unhappy with varying parts of the structure but not many that are actually offering solutions.

Thanks for your input !

Andy
 
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You misunderstand me..... - Tue Feb 08, 2011, 11:37 AM
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Besides the why would the PSO WANT to let us play less, to me anyone who can continually navagate the minefield of a PSO tourn 6 times a day deserves some praise (and possibly a seditive). Good luck this month whichever path you take and have a good one!!! lasthippie
It is of course possible that with an improved structure more PEOPLE would play and feel that they are playing on an EQUAL basis - I hope you read my other replies and take on board that it was an IDEA to IMPROVE the EXCELLENT offerings that are already offered - NOT a put down to any player or otherwise - unlike lots of other posts I have seen.

GL to you too

Andy
 
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Tue Feb 08, 2011, 12:01 PM
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What difference would it make to you? I can only find where you have played 26 tourneys ever. Since you have no experience with playing a large number, then how can you think this would be better? Also, since you have time to do all the stat work you said...you should have plenty of time to play...IMO.

Would also like to know who these lower ranked players are that would be close to top with fewer games played. Negative points are going to kill a score no matter how many games are played.
 
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Tue Feb 08, 2011, 12:12 PM
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If you think that you're "enlightening" me with a comment of "your wrong" I suppose I really must bow to the better knowledge that you obvioulsy have.

However, enlightenment would be better experienced with an explanation attached as opposed to an "I'm better than you" approach.

Try reading the Post again and offering some sort of your reasoning to your response. If you are unable to do that due to the fact that your ability to play more games is your comfort factor of being able to cash and feel threatened by an honest suggestion then don't bother replying at all and the assumption that i have just made is therefore, by default, shown to be correct.

By the way, I actually think that you would be one of the players that would still be "up there" as your game seems of a fairly high consticency rate as opposed to some in your position (or there or there abouts) are not.

Please re-read and take on board the overall concept of what is being said .

Thanks and GL.

Andy

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Thu Feb 10, 2011, 04:33 PM
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I couldn't agree more, we don't all have time to play all 6 tourneys every day as most of the top players have, some people have jobs to go to and children to look after. Perhaps the limit doesn't have to be one. Maybe two a day.
 
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Thu Feb 10, 2011, 05:40 PM
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You are new here and have a right to know what we have discussed in the past.

I have played here since this started in July and this subject has been talked about on numerous occasions and the consensus is that it is not the quantity played but the quality of the outcome that is the big determiner in the league placement.

Fifteen ITM finishes puts one in the hunt for the top ten. If you do that and can avoid losing points on 15 other tournaments you can end very well on one tourney a day. The reason people play a lot more is basically to make up for the late in the month tourneys where they lose 25 points to a suck out.

If I ever find myself with a 20 point lead with 5 days to go, I will sit out and play catch me if you can. One unlucky game by me and I lose my lead, they have to finish ITM in 2 games to catch me. Alot tougher to do when you have no room to stumble.
 
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Thu Feb 10, 2011, 11:28 PM
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If you narrowed to one game a day you'd knock a lot of people out. There are a lot of time zones playing for me to get six in I have to be off work for the day. Come better weather I'll be doing good to get one or two in on the weekends. When I was playing for cash there were very few games offered when I could acually play one. For some reason it seems almost like all poker games are gear towards around a 12 central time zone or use to be. I've not even checked available games in a couple of years since I was never able to get in them. Therefore I'm here trying to up my game incase I can find one someday when I'm ready again.

So the alternative would be to have a differant deal. let a player use his best score from a week of play with games offered at a regular interval 24 hours a day. Then have a yearly rank after 52 weeks. This would still help the guys that can play often a little more but the better players could do well too.

Or have a round two. Where the top something have a playoff. There again that would push me out likely. I won some hubble round 2's a while back when the second round was only played on sunday. I am busy at that time on sunday and was never able to use them ( I know I can now on sat as well ).

Have games 24/7 on a regular schedule. let the guy that can play them all play them. let stars radomly pick a score from that day. then use that for the monthly average. That way the more you play without improving your game the fairer it gets. everyone gets one placing a day. The only advantage then would be the top finishers wouldn't play anymore games each day. To compete with them I'd only have to place well that day too. I've yet to nitice anyone in the top 50 every time so should give a fair standing.

Or an average of your daily play ( 24/7 tables again ) per day. counted for that day. This seems like the best idea. If I only mange one game then my average would be from the one table, but if I played multiples my skill would dictate my average a little more. The only skew i see to this is the top finishers on there first table of the day won't play anymore that day.

Or offer 24/7 and when you register you decide which one for the day counts with only one choice per day. The only thing there would be you'd be battleing it out with guys that have already had there once.

So it apears there is no way to compare apples to apples in a monthly ranking. The up side as people move off to real tourneys they'll lose more than you if they play more. At the very least they will risk more. And that may be the reasoning for the structure get you into playing more.
It gives you the idea that the more you play the better you do. With the only true winner being stars getting their rake or 10%. Smart business for them. Look at the floor in a casino some time ya never wanna look down with all the flashing lights and colors of the machines.
 

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