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Weekly discussion - Mon Feb 14, 2011, 08:03 AM
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Once the Weekly Roundup is posted, discuss the Hand Analysis or Question of the Week here.. You may see your answers published in next week's Weekly Roundup.

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Mon Feb 14, 2011, 01:15 PM
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Once the Weekly Roundup is posted, discuss the Hand Analysis or Question of the Week here.. You may see your answers published in next week's Weekly Roundup.
Weekly Roundup is here:
http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...uary-14th-2011

We will be looking for some good replies to the 2 questions asked to be published in next week's Roundup.

Good luck at the tables.
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011, 01:31 PM
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Once the Weekly Roundup is posted, discuss the Hand Analysis or Question of the Week here.. You may see your answers published in next week's Weekly Roundup.
If I was in seat 1 UTG, I would fold my TT because I am pretty sure there will be a better spot later. If I'm in seat two, I already have over half my chips in the pot, why would I fold that away? With QQ only 2 hands can beat you, so it's time for those girl-dogs to shake their donkeys.

I'm just sayin
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011, 02:39 PM
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10 10 UTG is easy to fold in that spot when there is a raise and re raise in front of you then again if hellmuth has 10 10 in that spot hes all in 9/10 times QQ not so easy but for big money maybe i could lay it down and let 1 of the 2 take a huge dent and be short stacked and climb the money ladder
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011, 04:19 PM
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10 10 UTG is easy to fold in that spot when there is a raise and re raise in front of you then again if hellmuth has 10 10 in that spot hes all in 9/10 times QQ not so easy but for big money maybe i could lay it down and let 1 of the 2 take a huge dent and be short stacked and climb the money ladder
If 10-10 is an easy fold, no matter what you do, you will still have the shortest stack (or be gone...) How long can you wait? I think this is your best spot. Ship it...

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Mon Feb 14, 2011, 04:25 PM
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If 10-10 is an easy fold, no matter what you do, you will still have the shortest stack (or be gone...) How long can you wait? I think this is your best spot. Ship it...

I'm just sayin
sorry i must have mis read short stack in the situation

of course even short stack with 10 10 to 2 raises is tough to call but a final table bowing out with a made hand pre flop isnt so bad i guess especially as you willl have a great roi
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011, 04:34 PM
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sorry i must have mis read short stack in the situation

of course even short stack with 10 10 to 2 raises is tough to call but a final table bowing out with a made hand pre flop isnt so bad i guess especially as you willl have a great roi
While stack-size was not explicitly discussed, I'm sure you figured that QQ had the shortest stack since if QQ called, they would be all-in, while 10-10 would just be crippled--

Im just sayin--
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011, 12:18 PM
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Don't forget..check out the Weekly Roundup, discuss the hand from the WSOP-E tournament and also tell us your favorite superstitions. The result of the hand as well as some of the best answers will be put into next week's Roundup.
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2011, 09:42 AM
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Don't forget..check out the Weekly Roundup, discuss the hand from the WSOP-E tournament and also tell us your favorite superstitions. The result of the hand as well as some of the best answers will be put into next week's Roundup.
Tazz and antlovesang...you have both received $.30 in your account for responding to the Weekly discussion question. Each week random players will receive cash for answering the Weekly Roundup question.

Congratulations and remember...still looking for answers to both questions and you may see your responses in the Weekly Roundup.
 
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Man, Should have sent me a PM saying your were giving away money. - Wed Feb 16, 2011, 11:05 AM
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There are 12 players left in the tournament, Player 1, who is UTG, is dealt 10 10 and bets $60k. Player 2, in middle position has QQ, and raises to $240k. Player 3, on the BB, has 66, and raises to $600k, which would force Player 2 all-in and leave Player 1 with a large disadvantage. Now, what would you do? Do you think that a seat on the left is luckier than a seat on the right?

Do you put little fuzzy dolls next to your computer? Well, we want to find out how superstitious PSO players are when playing online. So, if there are any little things that bring you luck, or think that are unlucky, then let us know.

The way I see it, we are missing some info here. What is the payout for the top 12 spots? If it's anything like Poker Stars mtt cash structures or Full Tilts, it would change how I see things. What is the average chip stack for the current table, and for the tourney? What are the chip totals for the 3 players involved? What is the table division in terms of numbers? ie 7/5 player not moved yet. 6/6. What is the strength of the field? This is all info that I'd like to have to really discuss this hand. But, based on the info that we do have:

Player 1, Generally an easy muck for me. I'd probably muck JJ in this spot too. I've got over 600K left behind, so, I'll wait for a better spot. And based on the raising patterns, I've got to believe I'm beat pre-flop. With over 600K left, I'm thinking I can skate to the final table, where the money will take a jump.

Player 2, I've committed very close to if not over half my stack. I've got to call at this point, and hope I can win. I'd like to know why if I have committed that great of a portion of my stack to the re-raise, I just didn't push all in w/ QQ. I'd have pushed all in. I'd be happy to pick up the 60k, blinds, and antes, and just not see a flop. IMO

Player 3, WTF??? UTG raise. re-raised to me w/ no chips committed to the pot? 66 goes into the muck so fast, or stall and hee haw like I have a really big hand, and I have to really really think about it, just so, I can show boat for a bit. But, still going into the muck.

Do I think the seat on the left is luckier than the seat on the right?
Do I put fuzzy dolls next to my computer?

Hrmmm, ok, here's my thoughts on this. I once asked a tourney player I have great respect for, "What would you say is the key to your success?" I got a answer from left field to say the least. He told me, he watches the dealer very early in the tourney when the blinds are small and see's which dealers deal him good cards that hold up. Or which dealers deal him winning situations. He takes note of these dealers, and when the chips do count big. He plays harder w/ the dealers that are lucky for him that day. ie. He'll push w/ AK w/ a lucky dealer, and not push w/ the same AK so hard on a neutral or unlucky dealer for him. Like I said, Left Field.

fuzzy dolls? About the only superstition I have is, I like to have done the deed before a big tourney. I think it helps me play in a more relaxed mood. Or, it may just be an excuse I give to my gf so, well u know. As for all other luck related feelings, I can say this. Datzang is a real believer in luck. Good Dream, buy lotto ticket. Clothes on inside out, buy lotto ticket, and go to casino. Get pocket 33's for the third time in a row. Gotta play em big time, and buy lotto ticket. See the pattern here. Still waiting to win the lotto.....

Well hope this spurs some food for thought. -shark
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2011, 11:28 AM
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It is kind of hard to come to a conclusion about the hand not knowing stack sizes. I would say that with a raise and reraise pocket 10's are not looking so hot anymore. If medium stacked, immidiate fold. If short stacked, all-in and take your chances, you will probably end up heads up. In this example you would probably get the QQ to fold IF they have fold equity. Being a large stack would be the trickiest spot to be in. Your out of position so a call with pocket 10's would not be ideal since your basically looking to flop your set 1 out of 8 times and your not getting the correct pot odds. You could push, but you should assume your at best a coinflip, or even worse than that if both players call. Best option as a big stack would be to fold, but pushing is an option as well if your stack could survive the hit.
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2011, 11:35 AM
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shark...this hand came from a WSOP tourney....and the prize money for 12th place was 54,000 while final table prize money started with 9th place getting 69,000 all the way up to 1st place getting 830,000.

Just to give you an idea of what they were playing for.
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2011, 11:56 AM
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Thanks for the quick reply. Well seeing how there really is very little difference from 12th to 9th. Getting chips for a run at 1st becomes more important. I'd maybe think a little more for player 1. TT, is a good hand, but, nah, still have to reason I'm beat preflop, unless, I can make a decision on player 3 being a complete looney toon based on table history, and rule him out of the equation, I still muck TT. -shark
 

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