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Structure all wrong? Skill? - Mon Feb 14, 2011, 10:49 PM
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Here is an example of why the structure here will not allow a lot of the players here to shine with skill. This is gonna compare the PSO structure to the NAPL Rookie Division structure.

Bother have 10 min blind levels. So they are equal there.

PSO structure NAPL structure

level
1 10/20 ----- 10/20
2 15/30 ----- 20/40
3 25/50 ----- 25/50
4 50/100 ----- 30/60
5 75/150 ----- 40/80
6 100/200 ----- 50/100 ante's 10
7 125/250 25 ante's ----- 60/120 15
8 150/300 25 ----- 75/150 25
9 200/400 50 ----- 100/200 30
10 300/600 50 ----- 125/250 40
11 400/800 75 ----- 150/300 50
12 500/1000 100 ----- 200/400 60
13 600/1200 125 ----- 250/500 70
14 800/1600 150 ----- 300/600 85
15 1k/2k 200 ----- 350/700 100
16 1250/2500 250 ------ 400/800 125
17 1.5/3k 300 ------ 500/1000 150
18 2k/4k 400 ------ 600/1200 175
19 2.5/5k 500 ------ 700/1400 200
20 3k/6k 600 ------ 800/1600 225

So as you can clearly see the PSO structure will NOT allow for anyone to just play patiently and wait on big hands. It is clearly designed to make you take risk that you would not have to take with a better structure. So with all that said I will now treat the PSO as a freeroll and not a skill league. Simply because the structure does not fit my style of play. I was constantly wondering why I could cash in the NAPL almost every time and not come close a lot of the times in the PSO and I now know why. Maybe one day the PSO will get the structure right and then and only then will skill prevail.

Now don't get me wrong the players who have won are skilled players. Just thought I needed to say that. It's just that I think it would be a closer race if the structure was fixed and allowed more skilled players to get through the times of cold cards.


Just a thought......Lets see what everyone else thinks....

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sorry - Mon Feb 14, 2011, 10:54 PM
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sorry I do not know why the numbers didnt stay in line like it was when I was getting the post together.........
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2011, 01:07 AM
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I've never had a doubt of it being a mid turbo. Then you factor in the the clocking and it might as well be a turbo. I've posted some detailed thoughts in another post "The Clock Is Even More Critical Now"

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...e-Critical-Now


Granted I'm not a poker pro or genius or any where close to either. My thoughts may be wrong as I say in my posts, but I'll stick by them till Someone shows me detailed proof other wise at which time I'll apologise for in miss statements or beliefes.
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2011, 04:01 PM
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It is what it is I guess... I've ran into the same thing. In the NAPL rookie league I cashed just under 50% of the time this month, playing like 5 times a week. In the PSO freeroll I've cash roughly 12% of the time. The PSO league structure clearly still leaves enough room for skill to prevail in the leaderboards. You don't see too many 'donks' in the top 100 do you?
 
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no you don't - Thu Feb 17, 2011, 10:19 AM
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It is what it is I guess... I've ran into the same thing. In the NAPL rookie league I cashed just under 50% of the time this month, playing like 5 times a week. In the PSO freeroll I've cash roughly 12% of the time. The PSO league structure clearly still leaves enough room for skill to prevail in the leaderboards. You don't see too many 'donks' in the top 100 do you?

No you don't see to many donks in the top 100, but I think the points would be a lot tighter and a lot of new names on the top if the structure was changed. Yes there is still skill involved, but what if your getting cold cards for an hour or so? The structure will just blind you away for being patient.
So therefore the structure takes a lot of the skill and patience out of the league.

But really, lets just call it for what it is. It is just a tool for poker stars to make money from new players making deposits.
 
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Thu Feb 17, 2011, 10:56 AM
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No you don't see to many donks in the top 100, but I think the points would be a lot tighter and a lot of new names on the top if the structure was changed. Yes there is still skill involved, but what if your getting cold cards for an hour or so? The structure will just blind you away for being patient.
So therefore the structure takes a lot of the skill and patience out of the league.

But really, lets just call it for what it is. It is just a tool for poker stars to make money from new players making deposits.
Well said Gator. Have to say I agree about everything there.

As for pokerstars intentions, I'm not a new player and am already active so I view the PSO as an opportunity. If I was a brand new poker player I'm not sure how I would feel about the PSO. Anything they can do to get new cash players is fine with me though, as it is greatly needed(at the cash tables anyways).
 
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Mon Feb 21, 2011, 03:39 PM
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i do agree with you all to a point; it would be nice if the structure in these tournaments allowed more play.

but playing well shortstacked is a skill, and a very important one. you have to recognize good spots to push and the right spots to fold, even though those pushing spots might require less than a top 5% hand. even in the most slowly structured tournaments you will be shortstacked a good percentage of the time (i.e. blinds are high relative to stack size) and it is absolutely essential to know how to play well shortstacked to do well in any tournament.

besides, which requires more skill: waiting around for premium hands or winning pots with marginal hands?
 

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