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88 vs KQ off What do you think? - Fri Feb 18, 2011, 09:12 PM
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Just for kicks, wondering what you guys think? So, this is PSO Skill, and you're short. Needless to say you will not make positive points w/o doubling through a couple of times. Blinds now 125/250 antes 25, you're UTG +1 you've got 550 left. And UTG folds. It's on you. What do you do if you have 88's, what do you do if you have KQ off? If you could only choose one of those 2 hands, which one would you choose to have?

My opinion on this is I'd rather have KQ off, than the pocket 8's. -shark
 
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Fri Feb 18, 2011, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sharkatack89 View Post
Just for kicks, wondering what you guys think? So, this is PSO Skill, and you're short. Needless to say you will not make positive points w/o doubling through a couple of times. Blinds now 125/250 antes 25, you're UTG +1 you've got 550 left. And UTG folds. It's on you. What do you do if you have 88's, what do you do if you have KQ off? If you could only choose one of those 2 hands, which one would you choose to have?

My opinion on this is I'd rather have KQ off, than the pocket 8's. -shark
88 raise to 549 kq off fold for sure
 
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Fri Feb 18, 2011, 09:36 PM
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prolly not folding anything 88+, 9Ts+, JTo+
 
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Fri Feb 18, 2011, 10:00 PM
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88 is dead center, half above, half below. I would most likely go all-in and hope I get just one caller. With this hand, I expect a 4-point lead with my opponent having two over cards. If more than one person calls, I type in my farewell message while the others play.

KQ is a fold, usually. In early, definitely. Late, I'll go all-in if nobody has called or raised.
 
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. - Fri Feb 18, 2011, 10:01 PM
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With $550 left I'm shoving with either one - I don't know about you but I don't get either one of these hands and fold in this situation. That's just me and I don't claim to be an expert.

Good luck!!
 
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Fri Feb 18, 2011, 10:02 PM
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I'm 31% to win so far this year in 140 hands holding KQo,and 44% to win in 52 hands holding 88 so as short as they are my stats back up what I felt instictively when I saw this question...........always take the "made" hand over the drawing hand pre-flop. Most likely outcome is for both players to blank through the river.Take the underpair. Over the long haul it's the higher % play,and is a 54-46% favorite were the 2 hands to actually meet.
 
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Fri Feb 18, 2011, 11:23 PM
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With 88's, all you really fear is an overpair. With KQ, any caller is basically guaranteed to either be marginally ahead (like if they have 88, or even A8), or they'll usually have you dominated (AK, AQ).

I might be missing some subtleties here, but I think 88 is an easy favourite for me. The possibility to almost have a lock hand if you see another 8 just adds fruit to the pudding.
 
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Sat Feb 19, 2011, 01:52 AM
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In that situation you have to push with either of those hands. You have already been blinded to the point of not being able to steal the blinds, BUT you can still get others to fold mediocre or bad hands often. Also, you can't expect to see better whole cards in the next two hands. The majority of the time you will get dealt worse cards and once in the BB, you won't be able to take any meaningful action regardless of what you get dealt.

Which hand I would prefer? 88 Every time. It slightly stronger than KQo. Can't really think of too many other clear cut reasons why... you could get called by a smaller pocket pair and be an 80% favorite.
 
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Sat Feb 19, 2011, 04:36 AM
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88 is the favorite always go with percentages
 
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Sat Feb 19, 2011, 08:26 AM
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** Moved **
 
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Sat Feb 19, 2011, 01:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sharkatack89 View Post
Just for kicks, wondering what you guys think? So, this is PSO Skill, and you're short. Needless to say you will not make positive points w/o doubling through a couple of times. Blinds now 125/250 antes 25, you're UTG +1 you've got 550 left. And UTG folds. It's on you. What do you do if you have 88's, what do you do if you have KQ off? If you could only choose one of those 2 hands, which one would you choose to have?

My opinion on this is I'd rather have KQ off, than the pocket 8's. -shark
This is a great example of why the PSO LEAGUE strategy is so "diferent" from a real MTT.
please note the use of the word different - i could be much more colorful here but prefer restraint

Obviously you would never allow yourself to get this short in a real MTT - 2 BB - if you are you have allowed yourself to get so short you have no more decisions to make as you are just dead money. So it doesnt matter if you have 88 or KQ or 2-7 off.

Even in PSO I would say both hands would need to be played in the example you give, hopefully you are at worst a flip with either hand and thats worth the neg points if you get knocked out

Thank you though for reminding me why its a waste of time for me to grind PSO.
 
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Sat Feb 19, 2011, 07:32 PM
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88 every time

you got a made hand

any1 calls with A x , K x , Q x

u 65/35 ahead

imo
 
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Sun Feb 20, 2011, 06:09 PM
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When shoving for my life from an early position I want a hand that is not dominated by a lot of combos. So let's count.

88 -- dominating hands are 99 - AA : 24 combos (4 of each pair).

KQ -- dominating hands are QQ-AA, AK, AQ: 34 combos (12 AK and AQ's each, 4 AA, 3 KK, 3 QQ).

I'd prefer to have 88.

Last edited by DLeviathan; Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 10:05 AM..
 

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