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How Can You Say Its Random? - Sun Feb 20, 2011, 06:22 PM
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PokerStars Game #58008601233: Tournament #360452927, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2011/02/20 23:16:20 WET [2011/02/20 18:16:20 ET]
Table '360452927 82' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pye66 (3255 in chips)
Seat 2: Pinka333 (3170 in chips)
Seat 3: jay7846 (2320 in chips)
Seat 4: raggerty (1280 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: marvin66 (1300 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Toonarmy1566 (840 in chips)
Seat 7: CA_FunShine (2945 in chips)
Seat 8: rick2448 (4795 in chips)
Seat 9: kreskin1964 (1195 in chips)
CA_FunShine: posts small blind 50
rick2448: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Toonarmy1566 [Ad Js]
kreskin1964: calls 100
Pye66: folds
Pinka333: folds
jay7846: calls 100
raggerty: folds
marvin66: folds
Toonarmy1566: raises 740 to 840 and is all-in
CA_FunShine: folds
rick2448 has timed out
rick2448: folds
rick2448 is sitting out
kreskin1964: folds
jay7846: calls 740
*** FLOP *** [7c 3c Jd]
*** TURN *** [7c 3c Jd] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [7c 3c Jd 2h] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jay7846: shows [9d 8c] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Toonarmy1566: shows [Ad Js] (a pair of Jacks)
jay7846 collected 1930 from pot
Toonarmy1566 finished the tournament in 868th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1930 | Rake 0
Board [7c 3c Jd 2h Tc]
Seat 1: Pye66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Pinka333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jay7846 showed [9d 8c] and won (1930) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 4: raggerty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: marvin66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Toonarmy1566 (button) showed [Ad Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 7: CA_FunShine (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: rick2448 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: kreskin1964 folded before Flop
There Is Absolutely No Way That The Shuffle Is Random.No Way At All.And You`s Who Believe It Is Straight Are Delusional
 
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Sun Feb 20, 2011, 07:06 PM
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If you think it's rigged in general,and against YOU,it would seem,in particular then why the Hell are you still playing here?

Talk about delusional..............
 
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i know it seems that way sometimes - Sun Feb 20, 2011, 07:14 PM
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but it's not rigged...ps have absolutely no reason to rig the play, favouring one opponent over another or anything else untoward. honestly
 
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Sun Feb 20, 2011, 09:14 PM
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but it's not rigged...ps have absolutely no reason to rig the play, favouring one opponent over another or anything else untoward. honestly
Im Sticking With My Theory. Certain Hands Are Programmed To Lose..........And Moxie,I Like Playing, I Dont See This As A Poker Site, More Like A Lottery ,A Game Of Chance................There Is NO Skill In This Game, Just Pure Luck.....
 
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Sun Feb 20, 2011, 09:16 PM
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I've told you before, IT IS FIXED
Since you always complain, it knows that it has to make you lose
 
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Sun Feb 20, 2011, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap777 View Post


I've told you before, IT IS FIXED
Since you always complain, it knows that it has to make you lose
Grow Up, Nipple Nut 4 U
 
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Sun Feb 20, 2011, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Toonarmy1566 View Post
Im Sticking With My Theory. Certain Hands Are Programmed To Lose..........And Moxie,I Like Playing, I Dont See This As A Poker Site, More Like A Lottery ,A Game Of Chance................There Is NO Skill In This Game, Just Pure Luck.....

THAT attitude is exactly why your results are suffering Toon. Do yourself a favor--download the free trial of PokerTracker3 for 60 days. If nothing else it will show you your hand performance since the beginning of the calendar year (what % your AA hand won,AKs,AKo all the way down to 22,every hand combiantion suited and not). I think you'll find it quite an eye-opener. What I percieved my %'s on alot of hands and what they really were was a 15% difference in some cases. And in a game as statistically driven as poker that's a HUGE difference.

I just as I'm typing this went out in the 20:00 EST PSO with QQ all-in for my last 2100 chips in a 3 way pot. Pot was raised to me (I was MP2) by the UTG+1 spot. He had shown a big range so I shoved (QQ with an M3 and change it's an auto-shove regardless) and the BB called as did the original raiser. BB turned over 99 and UTG+1 had KJo. Flop comes Q93 rainbow,6 turns and BAM!!! a river 10. And I just said "NH" because it's freaking STANDARD. If you were to ALWAYS manage to get your stack in as an 80% favorite you are still going to lose 1 out of every 5 hands. That's the math,pure and simple. Do the particulars really matter all that much?

I know this much---the more I resign myself that short of those times where I win an SNG or MTT then more often than not I'm going to go out ugly everytime I sit down,the better I play. Because I accept that it's going to come sooner or later,I just try to make it later so I can accomplish something before the hit comes. What measures my success,or lack thereof,is'nt IF that is going to happen but rather WHEN it will happen. Learn to lessen your exposure early when the possible gains are'nt really worth it Toon and I think you'll be happier with you results.

Remember if you go out more often than not holding the better hand when the chips went in then you're playing good,solid poker,IF it happens after you garnered some measure of success. But if yoy expose yourself too often the law of averages is just going to catch you all the quicker.

But this "It's rigged" stuff is self-defeating and quite frankly pure poppycock in my opinion. And to be honest I think players that rely on that saw are using it as a crutch rather than trying to address their shortcomings as a player.
 
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Mon Feb 21, 2011, 12:14 PM
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With a random shuffle an overwhelming favorite will be outdrawn some small percentage of the time.

The only way that an overwhelming favorite will always win is if the shuffle is not random and the site is rigged. Since bad beats happen, and I don't have complete data about the frequency, I conclude that the site is not rigged and the shuffle is random.
 
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Mon Feb 21, 2011, 03:44 PM
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With a random shuffle an overwhelming favorite will be outdrawn some small percentage of the time.

The only way that an overwhelming favorite will always win is if the shuffle is not random and the site is rigged. Since bad beats happen, and I don't have complete data about the frequency, I conclude that the site is not rigged and the shuffle is random.

Exactly Leviathan. The one thing that hit home for me the most when I saw my numbers laid out by PT3 was that all of my starting hands,from AA all the way down through 22,and every combo in between (AKs,AKo,through 32o) performed,with a few exceptions,within 3-5% of expected norms. We're human,we process and remember the bad turns of the cards more than we remember or acknowledge the good ones.Anyone who thinks that they are being constantly victimized, get a tracking site that will lay it out for you and your perspective will change.
 

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