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Would you have folded? - Sun Feb 27, 2011, 08:08 PM
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Sitting at 159 with 194 left and 162 make ITM when I ship it here. In my mind I was going to get with a blind increase before they came on me again and I felt where I was sitting that I was 60-40 against to turtle home ITM here,so I liked my odds better on playing the hand. But I also had that "feeling" that IT was coming,read my comment before the flop,lol. Sometimes you just know,like me the last 4-5 days. I could'nt sneak a BB past Stevie Wonder on the river if his azz was blindfolded even.

DBPS2974,the limper/caller here is ranked 12K+ BTW. I knew,KNEW,the little doofus was on Ace-rag.And if a non ace spade falls on the river I gladly let the SB take his piece of this.............


PokerStars Game #58399189851: Tournament #360452934, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2011/02/27 19:48:48 ET
Table '360452934 148' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: stevo4x4 (16251 in chips)
Seat 2: blubirdy1 (587 in chips)
Seat 3: OcDoRdIe (1311 in chips)
Seat 4: lisbon roar (4971 in chips)
Seat 5: DBPS2974 (8910 in chips)
Seat 6: ObvBogus (16198 in chips)
Seat 7: Moxie Pip (3305 in chips)
Seat 8: tx hnter2010 (15552 in chips)
Seat 9: gstowry (5865 in chips) is sitting out
stevo4x4: posts the ante 125
blubirdy1: posts the ante 125
OcDoRdIe: posts the ante 125
lisbon roar: posts the ante 125
DBPS2974: posts the ante 125
ObvBogus: posts the ante 125
Moxie Pip: posts the ante 125
tx hnter2010: posts the ante 125
gstowry: posts the ante 125
blubirdy1: posts small blind 462 and is all-in
OcDoRdIe: posts big blind 1186 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moxie Pip [Ks Kd]
lisbon roar: folds
DBPS2974: calls 1200
ObvBogus: folds
gstowry is connected
Moxie Pip: raises 1980 to 3180 and is all-in
tx hnter2010: folds
gstowry: folds
stevo4x4: folds
gstowry has returned
DBPS2974: calls 1980
Moxie Pip said, "on the bubble and watch me get counterfeited here.........."
*** FLOP *** [3c Th 8s]
*** TURN *** [3c Th 8s] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [3c Th 8s 2s] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DBPS2974: shows [7c Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Moxie Pip: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)
DBPS2974 collected 3988 from side pot-2
OcDoRdIe: shows [9d As] (a pair of Aces - Ten+Nine kicker)
732886 [observer] said, "lol"
OcDoRdIe collected 2172 from side pot-1
blubirdy1: shows [3s 9s] (a pair of Threes)
OcDoRdIe collected 2973 from main pot
Moxie Pip finished the tournament in 185th place
blubirdy1 finished the tournament in 186th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9133 Main pot 2973. Side pot-1 2172. Side pot-2 3988. | Rake 0
Board [3c Th 8s 2s Ah]
Seat 1: stevo4x4 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: blubirdy1 (small blind) showed [3s 9s] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 3: OcDoRdIe (big blind) showed [9d As] and won (5145) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: lisbon roar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DBPS2974 showed [7c Ad] and won (3988) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: ObvBogus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Moxie Pip showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: tx hnter2010 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: gstowry folded before Flop (didn't bet)



2 Aces in hand,so 2 that can fall and of course one does....................
 
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Sun Feb 27, 2011, 08:14 PM
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if the table was not a slow one, you needed at least a set of blinds to cash.

Unfortunately, that's the exact same scenario that burnt me yesterday in an mtt...... KK vs AQs vs A 4o.... I got rivered too.
 
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Sun Feb 27, 2011, 08:21 PM
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speaking of that situation... this just ko'd me in the 55 cent mtt..... FIRST voluntarily seen flop all tourney (80 min into it).

PokerStars Game #58400454562: Tournament #366078850, $0.50+$0.05 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2011/02/27 19:18:15 CT [2011/02/27 20:18:15 ET]
Table '366078850 71' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: hermes987 (2452 in chips)
Seat 2: JWK24 (1135 in chips)
Seat 3: jbb1965bell (4648 in chips)
Seat 4: sn2360 (6290 in chips)
Seat 5: the man ray (3820 in chips)
Seat 6: taakaaa (5010 in chips)
Seat 7: BoLuDaMeN (4975 in chips)
Seat 8: graedragon (2405 in chips)
Seat 9: chicojbf (2040 in chips)
JWK24: posts small blind 75
jbb1965bell: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JWK24 [Kd Kh]
sn2360: calls 150
the man ray: folds
taakaaa: folds
BoLuDaMeN: raises 4825 to 4975 and is all-in
graedragon: folds
chicojbf: folds
hermes987: calls 2452 and is all-in
JWK24: calls 1060 and is all-in
jbb1965bell: folds
sn2360: folds
Uncalled bet (2523) returned to BoLuDaMeN
*** FLOP *** [3c 8s 6h]
*** TURN *** [3c 8s 6h] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [3c 8s 6h Ah] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BoLuDaMeN: shows [Ac 8d] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
hermes987: shows [Ad Jd] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
BoLuDaMeN collected 2634 from side pot
JWK24: shows [Kd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
BoLuDaMeN collected 3705 from main pot
hermes987 finished the tournament in 395th place
JWK24 finished the tournament in 396th place
Durim is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6339 Main pot 3705. Side pot 2634. | Rake 0
Board [3c 8s 6h Ah 3s]
Seat 1: hermes987 (button) showed [Ad Jd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 2: JWK24 (small blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 3: jbb1965bell (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: sn2360 folded before Flop
Seat 5: the man ray folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: taakaaa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: BoLuDaMeN showed [Ac 8d] and won (6339) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 8: graedragon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: chicojbf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Sun Feb 27, 2011, 09:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JWK24 View Post
if the table was not a slow one, you needed at least a set of blinds to cash.

Unfortunately, that's the exact same scenario that burnt me yesterday in an mtt...... KK vs AQs vs A 4o.... I got rivered too.

Nope,quick table myself and OcDoRdIe were the only ones working the clock and he was gone after this hand quite possibly. My thing that I keep coming back to is this.....if I'm coming up short here it's gonna be because I played poker. If I had folded and still missed ITM I would be mega-steaming right now. Even though it's basically complete BS that an Ace fell on the river here I can still live with this result.
 
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Sun Feb 27, 2011, 09:16 PM
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if it was a quick table and you tried to fold your way in..... you'd be in full-fledged Hellmuth style TILT right now.
 
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Sun Feb 27, 2011, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Moxie Pip View Post
Sitting at 159 with 194 left and 162 make ITM when I ship it here. In my mind I was going to get with a blind increase before they came on me again and I felt where I was sitting that I was 60-40 against to turtle home ITM here,so I liked my odds better on playing the hand. But I also had that "feeling" that IT was coming,read my comment before the flop,lol. Sometimes you just know,like me the last 4-5 days. I could'nt sneak a BB past Stevie Wonder on the river if his azz was blindfolded even.

DBPS2974,the limper/caller here is ranked 12K+ BTW. I knew,KNEW,the little doofus was on Ace-rag.And if a non ace spade falls on the river I gladly let the SB take his piece of this.............


PokerStars Game #58399189851: Tournament #360452934, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2011/02/27 19:48:48 ET
Table '360452934 148' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: stevo4x4 (16251 in chips)
Seat 2: blubirdy1 (587 in chips)
Seat 3: OcDoRdIe (1311 in chips)
Seat 4: lisbon roar (4971 in chips)
Seat 5: DBPS2974 (8910 in chips)
Seat 6: ObvBogus (16198 in chips)
Seat 7: Moxie Pip (3305 in chips)
Seat 8: tx hnter2010 (15552 in chips)
Seat 9: gstowry (5865 in chips) is sitting out
stevo4x4: posts the ante 125
blubirdy1: posts the ante 125
OcDoRdIe: posts the ante 125
lisbon roar: posts the ante 125
DBPS2974: posts the ante 125
ObvBogus: posts the ante 125
Moxie Pip: posts the ante 125
tx hnter2010: posts the ante 125
gstowry: posts the ante 125
blubirdy1: posts small blind 462 and is all-in
OcDoRdIe: posts big blind 1186 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moxie Pip [Ks Kd]
lisbon roar: folds
DBPS2974: calls 1200
ObvBogus: folds
gstowry is connected
Moxie Pip: raises 1980 to 3180 and is all-in
tx hnter2010: folds
gstowry: folds
stevo4x4: folds
gstowry has returned
DBPS2974: calls 1980
Moxie Pip said, "on the bubble and watch me get counterfeited here.........."
*** FLOP *** [3c Th 8s]
*** TURN *** [3c Th 8s] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [3c Th 8s 2s] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DBPS2974: shows [7c Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Moxie Pip: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)
DBPS2974 collected 3988 from side pot-2
OcDoRdIe: shows [9d As] (a pair of Aces - Ten+Nine kicker)
732886 [observer] said, "lol"
OcDoRdIe collected 2172 from side pot-1
blubirdy1: shows [3s 9s] (a pair of Threes)
OcDoRdIe collected 2973 from main pot
Moxie Pip finished the tournament in 185th place
blubirdy1 finished the tournament in 186th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9133 Main pot 2973. Side pot-1 2172. Side pot-2 3988. | Rake 0
Board [3c Th 8s 2s Ah]
Seat 1: stevo4x4 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: blubirdy1 (small blind) showed [3s 9s] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 3: OcDoRdIe (big blind) showed [9d As] and won (5145) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: lisbon roar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DBPS2974 showed [7c Ad] and won (3988) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: ObvBogus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Moxie Pip showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: tx hnter2010 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: gstowry folded before Flop (didn't bet)



2 Aces in hand,so 2 that can fall and of course one does....................
Standard MTT: Youa re a donk to ever let yourself get this low in chips before shoving (unless you took a late "beat").

PSO MTT: You have 4 hands until your BB, and 5 to your SB. If you are folding here, you are committing to folding EVERYTHING until the bubble breaks.

It will cost you 1800 + 625 as a MINIMUM to get back to your button, thus leaving you just 755 in chips before your button ante. That amount gives you only 7 more hands at the CURRENT blind level, and 6 hands at the higher blind level.

It is a VERY "iffy" proposition whether you will be able to fold ITM from this spot, with 32 left, but it IS "do-able" if you have your full clock.

If the blinds increase BEFORE you are through them, you will be posting yourself down to the felt by your SB anyway...

Since you are already in plus points no matter your start event score, I think you are all but FORCED to go for it with KK.
 
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Sun Feb 27, 2011, 10:17 PM
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I think your being to results oriented with this post. You have barely enough chips to make it though the blinds 1 more round. You have the second best hand in Hold Em and you made the right play. You know you will win 70+% of the time just keep focusing on playing well, you got unlucky is all.
 
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Sun Feb 27, 2011, 10:54 PM
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Standard MTT: Youa re a donk to ever let yourself get this low in chips before shoving (unless you took a late "beat").

PSO MTT: You have 4 hands until your BB, and 5 to your SB. If you are folding here, you are committing to folding EVERYTHING until the bubble breaks.

It will cost you 1800 + 625 as a MINIMUM to get back to your button, thus leaving you just 755 in chips before your button ante. That amount gives you only 7 more hands at the CURRENT blind level, and 6 hands at the higher blind level.

It is a VERY "iffy" proposition whether you will be able to fold ITM from this spot, with 32 left, but it IS "do-able" if you have your full clock.

If the blinds increase BEFORE you are through them, you will be posting yourself down to the felt by your SB anyway...

Since you are already in plus points no matter your start event score, I think you are all but FORCED to go for it with KK.
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Originally Posted by PaidInFull6 View Post
I think your being to results oriented with this post. You have barely enough chips to make it though the blinds 1 more round. You have the second best hand in Hold Em and you made the right play. You know you will win 70+% of the time just keep focusing on playing well, you got unlucky is all.
Yeah like I said JD,in my head I was putting it at 60-40 against to turtle home here and no doubt,a fold here pretty much locks me into folding every hand the rest of the way. And no in a standard cash MTT it's not very often that I would let myself get to this point unless I've taken a late "beat" as you said or I've been completely card dead for a couple rotations and even in that scenario I would be looking for a position play chance,even if it means taking a flip. And standard non-PSO cash MTT my chips are in the middle so fast that vapor trails would be coming off them. I'm looking to chip up and get further with this hand and I'm not about to sweat blowing a possible min-cash for a nanosecond to do so.But PSO IS PSO afterall......

For example the very next PSO I had AA in MP2 with enough chips left to fold thru one set of blinds and sitting 6 from ITM. Into the muck they went and I did'nt give it 2 thoughts. Again PSO IS PSO afterall.............


Damn Paid LOOOONG time no see,lol. I remember us tabling together back in the summer on a ring before I ever even jumped in this PSO nuthouse,and then on a PSO table not long afterwards. Hope all has been good with you.

Yeah like I said above,normal cash MTT/SNG or a ring I'm playing the cowboys hard and I want the guy calling me off with A7o to be at my table the next 100 times I sit and to make that play EVERYTIME.The blinds are'nt even a consideration in my thought process really as I'm never laying down a strong hand on 2 forced all-in blinds that I have covered. Only reason I opened this post is to get a discussion going vis-a-vis this hand,in this spot,in PSO. Normal cash situation,yeah,you're 100% right. I made the right play and just have to focus on that and load up the next one.

PSO being what it is though there can be an argument made the other way,but like I said in the earlier posts I think even in PSO I made the right play here. As I did with the AA fold in the next one.

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