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great hand? - Sun Mar 06, 2011, 06:28 PM
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Since: Sep 2010
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i added my thoughts later in the thread
i feel this was a decent move,
there was a guy at the table who couldnt get over the push i made and called me names
i tried to tell him about things like math and ICM but he was stead fast
maybe this wasnt a good play at all?
thoughts?

PokerStars Game #58772862786: Tournament #368288608, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2011/03/06 16:43:54 ET
Table '368288608 151' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: tracythebear (10850 in chips)
Seat 2: mugsymuppet (9410 in chips)
Seat 3: rootpass669 (1520 in chips)
Seat 5: Danny1951 (22285 in chips)
Seat 6: buffalohead (5735 in chips)
Seat 7: billyjonson (7760 in chips)
Seat 8: Brad_Wicker (3577 in chips)
Seat 9: Onemoredude (18470 in chips)
tracythebear: posts the ante 50
mugsymuppet: posts the ante 50
rootpass669: posts the ante 50
Danny1951: posts the ante 50
buffalohead: posts the ante 50
billyjonson: posts the ante 50
Brad_Wicker: posts the ante 50
Onemoredude: posts the ante 50
Danny1951: posts small blind 300
buffalohead: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to buffalohead [Tc 9h]
billyjonson: folds
Vta40oz is connected
Brad_Wicker: folds
buffalohead said, "wow! with the new tightness in my pants as i read that i HOPE TO GOD its tracy the girl not tracy the dude"
Onemoredude: calls 600
buffalohead said, "i was in love with tracy morgan for a week"
Vta40oz said, "keith stone"
buffalohead said, "until i found out he was a dude"
buffalohead said, "that was messy"
Vta40oz said, "always mooth"
Vta40oz said, "smooth"
tracythebear: folds
mugsymuppet: folds
rootpass669 said, "lmao"
rootpass669: raises 870 to 1470 and is all-in
Danny1951: folds
buffalohead: calls 870
Onemoredude: folds
buffalohead said, "i thought he was a sassy chick who smoked"
tracythebear said, "no its tracy the girl lol"
*** FLOP *** [5s Ah 3h]
*** TURN *** [5s Ah 3h] [6h]
Brad_Wicker said, ":P"
*** RIVER *** [5s Ah 3h 6h] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
buffalohead: shows [Tc 9h] (a flush, Ace high)
rootpass669: shows [Td Ts] (a pair of Tens)
Vta40oz said, "ouch"
buffalohead collected 4240 from pot
rootpass669 finished the tournament in 338th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4240 | Rake 0
Board [5s Ah 3h 6h 4h]
Seat 1: tracythebear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mugsymuppet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: rootpass669 (button) showed [Td Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: Danny1951 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: buffalohead (big blind) showed [Tc 9h] and won (4240) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: billyjonson folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Brad_Wicker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Onemoredude folded before Flop

Last edited by buffalohead; Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:58 AM.. Reason: clarity
 
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Sun Mar 06, 2011, 06:55 PM
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** Moved **
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2011, 09:56 AM
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Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 95
i was applying some chip stack ideas
this was late in the tourney
100 places away from the cash
no way to slide in to the $$$ as the blinds are too big i feel
i have limited risk here and 10 9 plays well against any ace,
if the big stack pushes i have to bail
this is the kind of move i feel professionals make
if im wrong please share why you feel that way
thanks
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2011, 10:39 AM
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1300 already in the pot, 650 of which u have invested. guy shoves in for 1470, 870 call to u. 870 into a 2770 pot is about 3.2 to 1. therefore, you need a 23.8% chance to win. yeah, this is a good call, especially since ur on the bb and the shover only has 2.5 bbs, so his range is much wider than it might normally be.
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2011, 12:25 PM
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They probably gave you some stick because the tens dominate the 10,9 and it led right to the river.

However, you made the right call taking all the factors into account. The short stack did the right thing as well and may have felt it was a bad beat, but if you go all in preflop there is still five more cards to come.

TC
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2011, 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ketchup143 View Post
1300 already in the pot, 650 of which u have invested. guy shoves in for 1470, 870 call to u. 870 into a 2770 pot is about 3.2 to 1. therefore, you need a 23.8% chance to win. yeah, this is a good call, especially since ur on the bb and the shover only has 2.5 bbs, so his range is much wider than it might normally be.
Disagree.

You are correct, if no one else is in the pot.

Fact is, there is another player who has entered this pot as well. They can raise him out pre to isolate the short stack (btw the big stack limp/folding is really bad poker here). And if they don't raise, he still has to play the pot out of position post flop and his equity vs. their combined ranges may not even be 24% (it's probably close, but he is not guaranteed to get to showdown anyway as there is still more money to bet vs. the big stack). Shocked that the big stack limp/folded, I would not count on that outcome when hero makes the call.

This call is a leak. With no one else in mathematically it's a correct call, absolutely. But with another player having entered, and money still behind to bet, not so much.

Dave

Last edited by TheLangolier; Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 03:08 PM..
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 12:05 PM
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Posts: 95
its one of those times when you feel you have to make a play in a tourney ..
while you have some chips that can do some damage to opponents
the shortstack gets no respect because he waited for the tens to come
playing that abc poker
i do not want to be in his position
so i have to get freaky sooner or later
play some poker
if big stack comes along i have to flop some perfection
i have no problem folding and am sad i missed the flop and now i wait for the hand to shove and double with
i can wait maybe an orbit or two is my feeling
100 from the $$$ and its slow and tight all the way home
there may be some golden stealing opps coming my way
im really gonna hate the antes
i have a relatively solid image UNTIL THIS HAND, lol
so all ins may be respected when i do them......
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 12:46 PM
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dave is the man he knows the bees knees!!!

but imo your in the pos points stage you have 1 BB left if you fold even less so minus the SB and ante on you next.

big stack limps so you assume he has junk looking ot build hs stack

so if i did my math contemplated my decision after SB shove i would call his all in and figure big stack is folding anyhow

good call imo you got lucky but hey if the best hand always won poker woudn't be so muh fun right??
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 01:15 PM
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I couldnt get past the chat lol
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 01:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by antlovesang1 View Post
dave is the man he knows the bees knees!!!

but imo your in the pos points stage you have 1 BB left if you fold even less so minus the SB and ante on you next.

big stack limps so you assume he has junk looking ot build hs stack

so if i did my math contemplated my decision after SB shove i would call his all in and figure big stack is folding anyhow

good call imo you got lucky but hey if the best hand always won poker woudn't be so muh fun right??
I hope its only the knees of the bees that he knows any other parts they might have laws against
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 02:46 PM
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I'm sorry, bees and knees aside, I can't understand how we would ever think the big stack is folding. EVER. Limping in and folding to a raise that is barely more than a min-raise, as a big stack, and with another caller to sweeten the pot, is absolutely attrocious. He only has to call 870 into a pot of 4240, almost 5-1 on his money. And in a situation where he has position on a shorter stack, with a 3rd player all in (providing some measure of protection with a dry side pot). His fold is a huge error, even if he limped in with some garbage. Even if we've already identified this villain as fairly clueless, we can not really count on them making this gigantic an error to justify our call.
 

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