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Pocket Aces - Mon Mar 07, 2011, 06:37 AM
jonto15's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 26
Was this just a bad beat? or should i have waited for the flop?

PokerStars Game #58800337894: Tournament #411010211, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/03/07 11:34:27 UTC [2011/03/07 6:34:27 ET]
Table '411010211 135' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: E.J.F.27 (5325 in chips)
Seat 2: jonto15 (9647 in chips)
Seat 3: 0boodaking0 (5785 in chips)
Seat 4: 2AcesFromJah (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: kapakazan (3490 in chips)
Seat 6: sean of ace (2900 in chips)
Seat 7: yomerlin (9403 in chips)
Seat 8: Sejt3n (2620 in chips)
Seat 9: oli-nka80 (3000 in chips)
Sejt3n: posts small blind 25
oli-nka80: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jonto15 [As Ac]
E.J.F.27: folds
jonto15: raises 1150 to 1200
0boodaking0: folds
2AcesFromJah: folds
kapakazan: folds
sean of ace: folds
yomerlin: folds
Sejt3n: folds
oli-nka80: raises 1800 to 3000 and is all-in
jonto15: calls 1800
*** FLOP *** [Kd Kh 6s]
*** TURN *** [Kd Kh 6s] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Kd Kh 6s 6d] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
oli-nka80: shows [Ad Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Sixes)
jonto15: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
oli-nka80 collected 6025 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6025 | Rake 0
Board [Kd Kh 6s 6d 7d]
Seat 1: E.J.F.27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jonto15 showed [As Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 3: 0boodaking0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 2AcesFromJah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kapakazan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sean of ace folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: yomerlin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Sejt3n (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: oli-nka80 (big blind) showed [Ad Kc] and won (6025) with a full house, Kings full of Sixes
Mon Mar 07, 2011, 07:58 AM
antlovesang1's Avatar
Since: May 2010
Posts: 931
what is with the huge raise pre flop??
utg it makes it look like your trying to donk but maybe suficient to say the chips may have been in pre flop regardless
Mon Mar 07, 2011, 08:24 AM
jonto15's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 26
The big raise was to try and eliminate anyone who didnt have a strong hand preflop
Mon Mar 07, 2011, 02:47 PM
JDean's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,145
Pre-flop raise is way too big, but it was very lucky for oyu that you got what you wanted: someone with a big enough hand to re-raise you.

With AA, you really LOVE any chance to get all your chips in pre-flop since it is "impossible" for someone to raise with a BETTER pre-flop hand. The problem with the over-raise though is it will be very hard for someone with WORSE to call too. Thus, you generally pick up "only" the blinds.

The other problem with the over-raise is that these kinds of flops sometimes DO happen.

With less in the pot, you MAY be able to get away from AA, especially with your big stack.

Your over-raise probabably prevented ANY chance of that too...

A good rule of thumb to remember is: the DEEPER your stack (in relation to the BB), the LESS you want to make bet decisions that result in really big pots.

Either your opponents will go all in, and end your ability to play post flop to "leverage" the power of your stack...


You may find people with similar deep stacks working against you for the implied odds value.

In this spot you'd really rather whittle down the smaller stacks a little at a time, rather than trying to chop big HUNKS out of them all at once.

'course with AA here you got EXACTLY what you want...but more often than not that will NOT happen.

Hope it helps.

Last edited by JDean; Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:53 PM..
Mon Mar 07, 2011, 05:16 PM
TheLangolier's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 13,517
(Head Trainer)
The preflop raise is bad, you're completely value-cutting yourself except the rare times you run into another monster, which will usually be QQ or KK. The fact that some guy stacked himself off with AK pre on a 60 bb stack vs. a 24x open raise is pretty LOL bad too. You got lucky such a bad player held AK.

As for waiting for the flop, any time you hold AA and your opponent wants to get all in before the flop, you should oblige them. (except in a couple rare, unique circumstances, none of which occur early in a mtt).
Wed Mar 09, 2011, 11:11 AM
jonto15's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 26
Thanks for your replys, at least thats one new thing if learnt!

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