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ok. i give up.......... - Wed Mar 09, 2011, 01:57 AM
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my second attempt at a 1.10 sit and go tonight....same shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
what the hell do i have to do to win on this site???
since depositing 2 days ago i have played 10 tourneys and in EVERY SINGLE ONE i have been beaten when i had the best hand......so that tells me 2 things.......
1. I am playing good poker
2. Good poker doesn't matter on Pokerstars

read my last 3 posts if u don't believe me......

PokerStars Game #58900942177: Tournament #372943109, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2011/03/09 1:41:48 ET
Table '372943109 10' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Lakergirls (1137 in chips)
Seat 2: thaman1213 (1120 in chips)
Seat 3: waimarie62 (4050 in chips)
Seat 4: tatiitavz (410 in chips)
Seat 5: cana_bal_10 (1430 in chips)
Seat 6: alsredstar (1465 in chips)
Seat 7: Acrobat54 (705 in chips)
Seat 8: Mirek2402500 (1578 in chips)
Seat 9: hiphoplives (1410 in chips)
cana_bal_10: posts small blind 25
alsredstar: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hiphoplives [As Kc]
Acrobat54: calls 50
Mirek2402500: folds
hiphoplives: raises 100 to 150
Lakergirls: folds
thaman1213: folds
waimarie62: calls 150
tatiitavz: folds
cana_bal_10: calls 125
alsredstar: folds
Acrobat54: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [7s 4d Kd]
cana_bal_10: checks
Acrobat54: checks
hiphoplives: bets 500
waimarie62: calls 500

cana_bal_10: folds
Acrobat54: folds
*** TURN *** [7s 4d Kd] [2s]
hiphoplives: bets 760 and is all-in
waimarie62: calls 760

*** RIVER *** [7s 4d Kd 2s] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hiphoplives: shows [As Kc] (a pair of Kings)
waimarie62: shows [Kh 4h] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
waimarie62 collected 3170 from pot
hiphoplives finished the tournament in 66th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3170 | Rake 0
Board [7s 4d Kd 2s 8h]
Seat 1: Lakergirls folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: thaman1213 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: waimarie62 showed [Kh 4h] and won (3170) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 4: tatiitavz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cana_bal_10 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: alsredstar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Acrobat54 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Mirek2402500 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: hiphoplives showed [As Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings

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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 02:05 AM
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as soon as clients stop hitting me up for work, i am gonna get back to playing live tourneys regularly again, and i am gonna find some way to prove how consistently i turn a profit playing live tourneys. it's absolutely amazing how consistently i can make money live and how consistently i can never win online. i don't get it.

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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 05:06 AM
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16% ITM was what Boku87 maintained so if you play 10 you should place ITM 1.6 times . If you played 10 at once I bet you would place in money far easier in far less time.
By playing one at a time you never really play the odds. If you are on 10 at once I almost guarantee one will be hot.
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 06:32 AM
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I agree with chris here hip. There are definite differences between live and on-line and I gotta tell ya, after 8 months I'm convinced---on-line is harder. Don't get me wrong,I'm not pawning off what you do live,I've played live on and off recreationally for 25+ years and have always been able to win enough to keep coming back. And about 6 weeks ago,when I hit the Hollywood Casino in Charlestown,WV I had one of the better,and definitely the easiest,sessions of live cash table play I've ever had. After 6+ months of nothing but on-line it was just easier to process for me,as the math was more ingrained than ever,the betting patterns were much clearer,and I had the bonus of the human tells that you don't really ever get on-line.

So back to why I agree with chris. The simple fact that on-line,again to me,is harder because of the plethora of beats that you will take on here due to the simple fact that bad plays WILL get paid off occasionally,means that you're best chance is to play good,solid,consistent poker and find a way to "flatten" the odds,if you will. In essence,to make the math WORK. I'm sure I don't have to tell you,ten games is a miniscule sample. Means nothing to a player like say Papa Tomate,whom I tabled with in a couple .25 45 mans late tonight. He plays anywhere from 30-65 plays a day.mostly .25 45 mans,but other mini-micro stuff as well but mainly the .25 45's are his thing. And this dude has game,wanna see what Honu means that you CAN make a good return banging away at these games anyone,then look PaPa up on OPR. But my point hip,is to somebody like PaPa a 10 game stretch of getting pawned by variance is'nt even going to register as a blip on the radar,he prolly sees that on nearly a daily basis. And he just loads up another set.

Now myself I'm nowhere near there yet,but I am at the point where the last week I've been trying 3 tables at once and my main consideration really is setting the screen overlap in such a way that I don't click on an action on one table and have another one pop up and I mis-click something. Like I did tonight,lol. Was playing 2 45 man's (PaPa was in both,I cashed both BTW he was still in one when I bounced 6th,the other he was out 10th when AK lost to A2,river 2) and a 90 man. I was taking notes in all 3 (so I'm certain that once I have a good enough note library that when I load a game up in these a few of the players are familiar to me) and I was trying to drag the screen up on OPR when the raise box in my 90 man popped up RIGHT THERE. LOL I had just put all but 50 of my chips in on Q5o and got nuked by AK. Next hand got 94,was in a 4 way hand and the 9 won. I then tripled thru 3 hands later on JJ and ended up cashing this one (out 12th for a min-cash when my AK lost to K8,K flops I raise,dude comes over top with a jam,I call,turns an 8). I also took 5th in the other 45 man,could have been better had a straight on the turn we went all-in and villian hit a 4 on the felt flush on the river.

But one thing I have noticed in only 2 tries at doing three cash SNG's at one time,if I take a beat on one table I'm much more even keeled than I would be if I have only one game going. So it has that advantage as well. I tried two tables after feeling I had one down pretty pat,and in all honesty felt it really was'nt anymore challenging than one,so I tried 3 at a time in 2 rotations today and think I can do this easy enough. In fact I am able to take notes still fairly easily as I just worry about color-coding someone once I think they fit and go fill in specific notes at need.

I have been able to get my ITM % back to where I'm accustomed to it being for this month now thru these two little 3 table rotaions running decent and my ROI for the month is at +32% as well so right about on point there as well. and yes,I'm playing the miniest of the micros,but that's a deal I made with myself,to play X amount of games at one level,look over my numbers at that point,see if I reached the goals I set for myself (and I'm a cruel task master when it comes to my results) and try to fix ,or at least curb and be in the process of fixing,some leaks along the way (think the Titanic 5 minutes after the iceberg hit...........). Playing three tables at a time and working towards 4 will make that process go that much quicker. AND as chris was alluding to,it helps to "flatten" the odds. The larger the sample the more normalcy you will see in your numbers as far as AA,KK or whatever hand performing at,or very near,expected norms. That's what you're looking for.

I know that you are always fixated on the amount of money that is,or is'nt,here to be won at Stars,or anywhere else on-line and I get that. And after nearly 500 cash MTT's,Turbos and SNG's here on Stars if it was'nt for what I banked from PSO I would basically be able to munch on some Papa John's for 2 nights,lol. But I am a --wait for it--"winning!!!" player so far and as my numbers are even inching up as the volume increases I do have some hope for myself to take this further. How far? Who knows? (STFU shark.....)

But I know this----I can't let what happens over the course of 50,25 10 or 1 game(s) stand in my way,much less one hand. And volume is a great tool to help this happen I think.

Try this hip. Load up some of those .25 45 man's first. Do a few days of 1 at a time to get a feel for them and work on note taking (very important,you'll see the same peeps alot). Then when you feel you're ready load up 2 tables.

I'll be doing it to as I'm nowhere near the numbers I want to hit yet.

I think something may have clicked for me the last few days,at least I hope so. And it's not a strategy thing,it's a mindset thing. I still will steam for a hot minute here and there but I'm getting better at not letting it stay with me for more than that hot minute,and more importantly at not letting in dissuade me from pushing on.

I know for alot of the players on here my number of games and my levels are laughable as yet but we all have to start somewhere and I'm hoping that I may have taken an important step.

And most importantly---I'm enjoying trying to take each step. So the want to is there.

Nine months ago someone would have suggested any of this to me and I would have thrown a butterfly net over their azz and shipped them to the puzzle factory--"drooling!!".

Hip you need to step back and ask yourself what does hip want to try to do here. And how best can I achieve that and give it a real effort. If that's NOT something that interests you and you just want to have fun with it,then dude,HAVE FUN with it. Stop beating yourself and the site up over the beats,they're going to come. To me it's about WHEN they come,not if. Was it a crucial,even a rail hand? Did I at least accomplish something here first? Could I have gotten away from the hand and still been able to have a reasonable chance at some measure of success?

In short dude,stop focusing on the results and PLAY THE GAME. Do that well and the results will come,guaranteed.

Catch ya later ya goofy so and so.

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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 11:21 AM
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I will be blunt with you here hip, you did not play good poker this hand. You preflop raise was way too small. It was absolutely an incorrect play. 250 (4xBB + 1xBB for the one limper) would have been much better and most likely would have forced junk like K4 to fold. Your play here is one of those creating your own luck kind of situations. Your low raise is giving better odds and getting you too many calls, which is kind of creating bad luck for you. Your odds of winning drop a lot for each additional caller preflop.
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 11:27 AM
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Hello all I am new to all this and have only started on PSO this month. Started out bad first 3 or 4 tourneys was down to around 1450ish then caught on to and learned a few things got back up to over 1500 yah. But here is my question (sorry it has nothing to do with what you are all talking about but have seen alot of you in tourneys)
ok yes my question
does it make that much of a difference to enter all tourney's even if I am not going to play and sit them out? it seems if you enter and sit out you will finish in the 400 to 500 range, do you get positive points for this? I have been cruising the tables and noticed even one of the moderators is in tourney but sitting out and as of right now he is in the 400's
IS IT WORTH IT TO SIT OUT?
Call me crazy but if you are going to enter and sit out don't play because when 4 out of 9 people at table are sitting it makes it more difficult to actually LEARN and try to actually improve.
Thanks for any imput and sorry for putting this in your space was unsure of how this works

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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 11:35 AM
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K4 its suited for gods sakes you should know hip hop suited = the nuts!!!

on a serious note your pre flop raise is to weak

having learned from your last 10 buy ins youve lost with the best hand why not make bigger/better raises to try and get donks like this to fold???
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 08:22 PM
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goofymayor
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Hello all I am new to all this and have only started on PSO this month. Started out bad first 3 or 4 tourneys was down to around 1450ish then caught on to and learned a few things got back up to over 1500 yah. But here is my question (sorry it has nothing to do with what you are all talking about but have seen alot of you in tourneys)
ok yes my question
does it make that much of a difference to enter all tourney's even if I am not going to play and sit them out? it seems if you enter and sit out you will finish in the 400 to 500 range, do you get positive points for this? I have been cruising the tables and noticed even one of the moderators is in tourney but sitting out and as of right now he is in the 400's
IS IT WORTH IT TO SIT OUT?
Call me crazy but if you are going to enter and sit out don't play because when 4 out of 9 people at table are sitting it makes it more difficult to actually LEARN and try to actually improve.
Thanks for any imput and sorry for putting this in your space was unsure of how this works

GoofyMayor

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Well playing a lot of games can be beneficial, as long as you place well. The higher you leader board points get, the higher you must place to get positive points, the higher you are ranked, the better you must place if that makes any sense to you? Points are easy to come buy when you are in the 1450-1550 pt range, but when you get up into the 1600 pts and above, you must place very close to ITM to get even a small positive points. Hope I didn't confuse you more than help you. GL
Hunt2day
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 08:34 PM
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I agree with Rocker and Ant--you didn't play the hand well.

I disagree with Rocker and Ant--you need to limp or fold, not raise stronger.
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 08:55 PM
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I was reading a good article today and a player I really respect made the comment that he sat to the right of this guy because he knew he played a lot live which would mess with his online play.

For me,I believe this to be some what true.Last time I played live I felt so strange and out of place and had never felt that way before.Was a real strange feeling and I got the idea it was from playing online a lot since I played live.Mind you it had been a couple months since I played live but still think
that online has effected my live game.
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 09:26 PM
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limp pre flop?? dont know many who would say you should have limped with big slick???

so he limps sees in which case k4 limps he flops top pair top kicker what next?? min bet and fold to a raise??
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 09:47 PM
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Yeah, I don't like getting AK at the 25/50 level. Rather not have it. Might go all-in pre-flop. Otherwise, limp, check, call small. Keep the pot small. If the blinds were 75/150 I like AK and I am all-in for sure.

Equity in nine man S&G is letting the others take the first risks and knock each other out until the blinds get big enough to matter. Then you make them fold.
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2011, 09:50 PM
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I agree with chris here hip. There are definite differences between live and on-line and I gotta tell ya, after 8 months I'm convinced---on-line is harder. Don't get me wrong,I'm not pawning off what you do live,I've played live on and off recreationally for 25+ years and have always been able to win enough to keep coming back. And about 6 weeks ago,when I hit the Hollywood Casino in Charlestown,WV I had one of the better,and definitely the easiest,sessions of live cash table play I've ever had. After 6+ months of nothing but on-line it was just easier to process for me,as the math was more ingrained than ever,the betting patterns were much clearer,and I had the bonus of the human tells that you don't really ever get on-line.

So back to why I agree with chris. The simple fact that on-line,again to me,is harder because of the plethora of beats that you will take on here due to the simple fact that bad plays WILL get paid off occasionally,means that you're best chance is to play good,solid,consistent poker and find a way to "flatten" the odds,if you will. In essence,to make the math WORK. I'm sure I don't have to tell you,ten games is a miniscule sample. Means nothing to a player like say Papa Tomate,whom I tabled with in a couple .25 45 mans late tonight. He plays anywhere from 30-65 plays a day.mostly .25 45 mans,but other mini-micro stuff as well but mainly the .25 45's are his thing. And this dude has game,wanna see what Honu means that you CAN make a good return banging away at these games anyone,then look PaPa up on OPR. But my point hip,is to somebody like PaPa a 10 game stretch of getting pawned by variance is'nt even going to register as a blip on the radar,he prolly sees that on nearly a daily basis. And he just loads up another set.

Now myself I'm nowhere near there yet,but I am at the point where the last week I've been trying 3 tables at once and my main consideration really is setting the screen overlap in such a way that I don't click on an action on one table and have another one pop up and I mis-click something. Like I did tonight,lol. Was playing 2 45 man's (PaPa was in both,I cashed both BTW he was still in one when I bounced 6th,the other he was out 10th when AK lost to A2,river 2) and a 90 man. I was taking notes in all 3 (so I'm certain that once I have a good enough note library that when I load a game up in these a few of the players are familiar to me) and I was trying to drag the screen up on OPR when the raise box in my 90 man popped up RIGHT THERE. LOL I had just put all but 50 of my chips in on Q5o and got nuked by AK. Next hand got 94,was in a 4 way hand and the 9 won. I then tripled thru 3 hands later on JJ and ended up cashing this one (out 12th for a min-cash when my AK lost to K8,K flops I raise,dude comes over top with a jam,I call,turns an 8). I also took 5th in the other 45 man,could have been better had a straight on the turn we went all-in and villian hit a 4 on the felt flush on the river.

But one thing I have noticed in only 2 tries at doing three cash SNG's at one time,if I take a beat on one table I'm much more even keeled than I would be if I have only one game going. So it has that advantage as well. I tried two tables after feeling I had one down pretty pat,and in all honesty felt it really was'nt anymore challenging than one,so I tried 3 at a time in 2 rotations today and think I can do this easy enough. In fact I am able to take notes still fairly easily as I just worry about color-coding someone once I think they fit and go fill in specific notes at need.

I have been able to get my ITM % back to where I'm accustomed to it being for this month now thru these two little 3 table rotaions running decent and my ROI for the month is at +32% as well so right about on point there as well. and yes,I'm playing the miniest of the micros,but that's a deal I made with myself,to play X amount of games at one level,look over my numbers at that point,see if I reached the goals I set for myself (and I'm a cruel task master when it comes to my results) and try to fix ,or at least curb and be in the process of fixing,some leaks along the way (think the Titanic 5 minutes after the iceberg hit...........). Playing three tables at a time and working towards 4 will make that process go that much quicker. AND as chris was alluding to,it helps to "flatten" the odds. The larger the sample the more normalcy you will see in your numbers as far as AA,KK or whatever hand performing at,or very near,expected norms. That's what you're looking for.

I know that you are always fixated on the amount of money that is,or is'nt,here to be won at Stars,or anywhere else on-line and I get that. And after nearly 500 cash MTT's,Turbos and SNG's here on Stars if it was'nt for what I banked from PSO I would basically be able to munch on some Papa John's for 2 nights,lol. But I am a --wait for it--"winning!!!" player so far and as my numbers are even inching up as the volume increases I do have some hope for myself to take this further. How far? Who knows? (STFU shark.....)

But I know this----I can't let what happens over the course of 50,25 10 or 1 game(s) stand in my way,much less one hand. And volume is a great tool to help this happen I think.

Try this hip. Load up some of those .25 45 man's first. Do a few days of 1 at a time to get a feel for them and work on note taking (very important,you'll see the same peeps alot). Then when you feel you're ready load up 2 tables.

I'll be doing it to as I'm nowhere near the numbers I want to hit yet.

I think something may have clicked for me the last few days,at least I hope so. And it's not a strategy thing,it's a mindset thing. I still will steam for a hot minute here and there but I'm getting better at not letting it stay with me for more than that hot minute,and more importantly at not letting in dissuade me from pushing on.

I know for alot of the players on here my number of games and my levels are laughable as yet but we all have to start somewhere and I'm hoping that I may have taken an important step.

And most importantly---I'm enjoying trying to take each step. So the want to is there.

Nine months ago someone would have suggested any of this to me and I would have thrown a butterfly net over their azz and shipped them to the puzzle factory--"drooling!!".

Hip you need to step back and ask yourself what does hip want to try to do here. And how best can I achieve that and give it a real effort. If that's NOT something that interests you and you just want to have fun with it,then dude,HAVE FUN with it. Stop beating yourself and the site up over the beats,they're going to come. To me it's about WHEN they come,not if. Was it a crucial,even a rail hand? Did I at least accomplish something here first? Could I have gotten away from the hand and still been able to have a reasonable chance at some measure of success?

In short dude,stop focusing on the results and PLAY THE GAME. Do that well and the results will come,guaranteed.

Catch ya later ya goofy so and so.
in short ??? there was nothing short about this it took me 4 beers and 2 bathroom breaks to read it lmao j/k
 
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in short ??? there was nothing short about this it took me 4 beers and 2 bathroom breaks to read it lmao j/k
You got through it? Man I have to hand it to you. It made my head hurt just looking at it. I don't read that much in a year. I wiping my screen off now. The "in short" thing made me spit my beer all over.
 

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