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I'd appreciate your thoughts on this one... - Mon Mar 14, 2011, 02:56 PM
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Back Ground.

We had just moved to the final table of a 27 man $1.20 SNG here.

Villain #, "Kitty", was at my previous table where they had seen me play KK for a "risky" flat call, and I scored "big" nice, and much smaller the 2nd time. Both those hands Kitty saw me "hold" my aggression to the turn.

I had noted that Kitty tended to make those "donk bets" you see here in (possibly) vain hopes of "protecting" semi-weak drawing hands, like gut shots and over card draws. In fact, I lost a decent sized pot to Kitty when they spiked a gutter ball vs my top/top hand earlier. I actually "read" kitty here for an Ace, with a range of kickers from around 8 thru K.

Villain #2, Xero, is new to the table, coming over just as the FT consolidated. The "feel" of this was certainly "flush draw", and possibly even just a naked 6, as there was no attempts to "take it" over my turn raise raise.

So with that said, what do you think of my play of this hand?

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. - Mon Mar 14, 2011, 07:02 PM
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The only other option I can see is a check-shove, but that's probably hindsight. Well played.

Good luck!!
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2011, 11:56 PM
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Not a big fan of the limp, would rather iso the weak limper with a raise. Post flop play is fine, even better if you're sure kitty is 1) paying attention and 2) will read you for a big pair based on the play of the two KK hands and 3) has a fold button. All 3 of those may be suspect to a point. But the line itself, is actually one I like in deeper stacked cash games where the villains range can never be super strong but mine can. Perfect river card for you to continue the bluff.
 
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Wed Mar 16, 2011, 12:22 PM
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Not a big fan of the limp, would rather iso the weak limper with a raise. Post flop play is fine, even better if you're sure kitty is 1) paying attention and 2) will read you for a big pair based on the play of the two KK hands and 3) has a fold button. All 3 of those may be suspect to a point. But the line itself, is actually one I like in deeper stacked cash games where the villains range can never be super strong but mine can. Perfect river card for you to continue the bluff.
I'm defo not a fan of limping this stage of any SNG either, but Kitty DID a) have a fold button, at least pre-flop and against me, and b) enough 'variation" in the EP limps that I'm not really certain worse would have called an iso raise.

So Kitty would have either mucked worse, or flat called better...

Still, I get your point Dave, and cannot say I disagree.

My only 'defense" is to say the bulk of the table was brand new to me, so I wasn't in love with an AJo raise from EP. Were we at the old, shorter table, I would have definately iso popped.

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Wed Mar 16, 2011, 01:45 PM
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My only 'defense" is to say the bulk of the table was brand new to me, so I wasn't in love with an AJo raise from EP. Were we at the old, shorter table, I would have definately iso popped.
Ok, I'm with ya, but what was your plan then if someone popped it pre? Because the 2 limps seem to be inviting a squeeze. If you're comfortable with your plan then ok. But I'm not personally... if we get raised behind, we'll have to fold AJ (not terribly attractive given we've invited a squeeze and a squeezer may be light, but with no read we really don't have much choice), or call and play a raised pot out of position which will be very difficult to do well with AJ (yuck), or limp-reraise and make a move on it which seems pretty terrible in this spot as well.
 
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Wed Mar 16, 2011, 03:35 PM
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Ok, I'm with ya, but what was your plan then if someone popped it pre? Because the 2 limps seem to be inviting a squeeze. If you're comfortable with your plan then ok. But I'm not personally... if we get raised behind, we'll have to fold AJ (not terribly attractive given we've invited a squeeze and a squeezer may be light, but with no read we really don't have much choice), or call and play a raised pot out of position which will be very difficult to do well with AJ (yuck), or limp-reraise and make a move on it which seems pretty terrible in this spot as well.
actually, I had considered that...

Kitty was my "target", as I felt strongly I could out play (or out flop) that person. There were no real "must shove" stacks behind, and I've noticed these 27 man's tend to get pretty rock-y at the final table due to the Battle of the Planet points. So there was a great chance any RR behind was a "real" hand that has AJo crushed.

Had I been RR'ed, my intention was to release, and move on.

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