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I can't play $0.25 sit and go's anymore.

I can't play $0.25 sit and go's anymore. - Thu Mar 17, 2011, 04:19 PM
Stephen86730's Avatar
Since: Feb 2011
Posts: 8
When I first deposited, it was a pretty small amount, I had no idea how to manage a bankroll and my game wasn't even that good. I lost pretty much all of it, but I've reformed and tried to have a go at the $0.25 sit and go's, with the intention of moving up gradually. I'd being having some reasonable success, but tonight, I've busted out of all i've played in incredible circumstances, and in most, by some god-awful players. One exception being KK vs AA, which was just as infuriating. Here's the best of them:

Bust Hand 1:
PokerStars Game #59363255151: Tournament #375997257, $0.25+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2011/03/17 21:05:05 WET [2011/03/17 17:05:05 ET]
Table '375997257 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: henkg (2637 in chips)
Seat 2: Stephen86730 (1680 in chips)
Seat 3: Skillzzz777 (2197 in chips)
Seat 4: lapteAlb (1580 in chips)
Seat 5: vmpr7 (6604 in chips)
Seat 6: Nedavniy (3085 in chips)
Seat 7: Volos27 (3290 in chips)
Seat 8: Woteal (21907 in chips)
henkg: posts the ante 15
Stephen86730: posts the ante 15
Skillzzz777: posts the ante 15
lapteAlb: posts the ante 15
vmpr7: posts the ante 15
Nedavniy: posts the ante 15
Volos27: posts the ante 15
Woteal: posts the ante 15
Stephen86730: posts small blind 60
Skillzzz777: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stephen86730 [Ac Qs]
lapteAlb: folds
vmpr7: folds
Nedavniy: folds
Volos27: folds
Woteal: folds
henkg: calls 120
Stephen86730: raises 1545 to 1665 and is all-in
Skillzzz777: calls 1545
henkg: calls 1545
*** FLOP *** [Js 3c Qc]
Skillzzz777: checks
henkg: checks
*** TURN *** [Js 3c Qc] [Th]
Skillzzz777: checks
henkg: checks
*** RIVER *** [Js 3c Qc Th] [9s]
Skillzzz777: checks
henkg: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Stephen86730: shows [Ac Qs] (a pair of Queens)
Skillzzz777: shows [9d Td] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
henkg: mucks hand
Skillzzz777 collected 5115 from pot
Stephen86730 finished the tournament in 31st place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5115 | Rake 0
Board [Js 3c Qc Th 9s]
Seat 1: henkg (button) mucked [6h 6s]
Seat 2: Stephen86730 (small blind) showed [Ac Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: Skillzzz777 (big blind) showed [9d Td] and won (5115) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 4: lapteAlb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: vmpr7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Nedavniy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Volos27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Woteal folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Bust Hand 2 (runner runners)
PokerStars Game #59363019814: Tournament #375983597, $0.25+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2011/03/17 21:01:13 WET [2011/03/17 17:01:13 ET]
Table '375983597 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: fartovi77769 (20336 in chips)
Seat 2: Das_Wutzje (6093 in chips)
Seat 3: sui_generis0 (6320 in chips)
Seat 4: catalacticos (3315 in chips)
Seat 5: hdkelly (2844 in chips)
Seat 8: Stephen86730 (1705 in chips)
Seat 9: Ohotnik63 (3947 in chips)
fartovi77769: posts the ante 30
Das_Wutzje: posts the ante 30
sui_generis0: posts the ante 30
catalacticos: posts the ante 30
hdkelly: posts the ante 30
Stephen86730: posts the ante 30
Ohotnik63: posts the ante 30
Stephen86730: posts small blind 125
Ohotnik63: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stephen86730 [Jd As]
fartovi77769: folds
Das_Wutzje: folds
sui_generis0: folds
catalacticos: folds
hdkelly: calls 250
Stephen86730: raises 1425 to 1675 and is all-in
Ohotnik63: folds
hdkelly: calls 1425
*** FLOP *** [Ad 6h Qh]
*** TURN *** [Ad 6h Qh] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 6h Qh Td] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Stephen86730: shows [Jd As] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
hdkelly: shows [Jc Ts] (three of a kind, Tens)
hdkelly collected 3810 from pot
Stephen86730 finished the tournament in 20th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3810 | Rake 0
Board [Ad 6h Qh Td Th]
Seat 1: fartovi77769 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Das_Wutzje folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: sui_generis0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: catalacticos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hdkelly (button) showed [Jc Ts] and won (3810) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 8: Stephen86730 (small blind) showed [Jd As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 9: Ohotnik63 (big blind) folded before Flop

Bust Hand 3 (my personal favourite)
PokerStars Game #59356353723: Tournament #375980674, $0.25+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/03/17 19:12:28 WET [2011/03/17 15:12:28 ET]
Table '375980674 5' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Stephen86730 (1980 in chips)
Seat 2: rupy22 (6285 in chips)
Seat 3: luque.84 (5180 in chips)
Seat 5: ALBERTO733 (2375 in chips)
Seat 6: TeefBradley (4600 in chips)
Seat 7: betIwin54 (2570 in chips)
Seat 9: soylufan (3965 in chips) is sitting out
TeefBradley: posts small blind 15
betIwin54: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stephen86730 [Ad Ac]
soylufan: folds
Stephen86730: raises 70 to 100
rupy22: folds
luque.84: calls 100
ALBERTO733: folds
TeefBradley: raises 4500 to 4600 and is all-in
betIwin54: folds
Stephen86730: calls 1880 and is all-in
luque.84: folds
Uncalled bet (2620) returned to TeefBradley
*** FLOP *** [9s Jh Qh]
*** TURN *** [9s Jh Qh] [8s]
joeyprz is connected
*** RIVER *** [9s Jh Qh 8s] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TeefBradley: shows [2c 9c] (three of a kind, Nines)
Stephen86730: shows [Ad Ac] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
Stephen86730 said, "oh my god"
TeefBradley collected 4090 from pot
Stephen86730 finished the tournament in 57th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4090 | Rake 0
Board [9s Jh Qh 8s 9h]
Seat 1: Stephen86730 showed [Ad Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 2: rupy22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: luque.84 folded before Flop
Seat 5: ALBERTO733 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TeefBradley (small blind) showed [2c 9c] and won (4090) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 7: betIwin54 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: soylufan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Sat Mar 19, 2011, 04:13 PM
McGonicle's Avatar
Since: Nov 2010
Posts: 3
I'm the last guy to be critiquing someone elses poker game, but in games 1 and 2, you pushed all-in blind with AQo and AJo. In game 2, it was from middle position. Now AJo and AQo are not trash, but I personally don't think they're worth pushing on without at least seeing a pair on the flop. The only way I could justify those pushes was if I knew the other players were so weak that they'd fold to my push.

The caveat is of course that in both those games, you're the short stack. All the big stacks know that you're probably getting looser with your pushes because you need to get back in the game or blind out, so their calling range to you goes up, because they're not done if you win, but they knock you out if you don't. At least, that's the way that I think when I'm the big stack in that situation. Just my thoughts.

Game 3 just sucked. I've had my AA get eaten by everything: trips, tiny two pair, straights and flushes on the river, etc. It's the strongest 2-card hand you can get, but poker hands have 5 cards and AA is not immortal.
Sun Mar 20, 2011, 06:45 AM
Stephen86730's Avatar
Since: Feb 2011
Posts: 8
Did you not see my chip stacks relative to the pot size? In the first game I only had enough chips for 5 rounds of the table, and even fewer in the second game. I had no margin for any post-flop play whatsoever, so there was no logical play other than all-in preflop. Heck, I would've made the same move with hands even weaker than AJ/AQ. In any case, you either steal a pot worth a good proportion of your stack or you have a reasonable chance of doubling up. In both cases, the chances of someone having AK+ behind me was slim. The issue is the calling ranges of these people. In hand 2, he's getting only 1.5 to 1 on a call with trash. Hand 1 is even worse, as I get called by trash times two, so one of them was bound to win.
Sun Mar 20, 2011, 01:01 PM
Grindtyme's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 12
Originally Posted by Stephen86730 View Post
Did you not see my chip stacks relative to the pot size?
The game changes dramatically in the later rounds/levels. I personally think the hands you drove the action with were very decent hands at those levels, but lets look at them one by one.

Hand 1- You got called by 2 people who had close to the same amount of chips you did, and lets be honest, after the flop the guy who won had a much better chance to catch than you did, he had what, 14 outs twice? getting it in with marginal hands, especially at a time in a tourney when people will shove with ATC is gonna hurt you more than help you in my opinion.

Hand 2-Once again you jam with a weak hand, get called by a weak hand and lose. Maybe you consider not making that your play all the time since it offers you zero outs other than win or bust. You implied the plays were good because what are the chances of him/anyone having a-k, but what about having 5-5, or suited connectors, hands that play well against the range of hands you shove with. In both these hands you act as though you had a made hand, when in fact you still need to draw out, just like they do.

Hand 3-Welcome to variance, in tournies I have been dealt A-A 73 times, on this computer, and won with them 94.52% of the time. Cash games I have gotten them 9 times, again on this computer, and they have only held up 77.78% of the time.

Just because you lost 2 flips and got raped once doesn't mean anything. I can show you a 700+ Omaha hand I lost last week when I flopped quads and the guy stuck around with absolutely nothing in the hand, called off 500+ after the flop and runner/runner for bigger quads. I almost threw my laptop into a different time zone with that hand. I got pissed, hopped on my R1, blasted down some country roads, screamed a lot, then went back to playing.

My advice? Don't ever raise with flopped quads if you're in a hand with someone from Finland.

Sun Mar 20, 2011, 01:33 PM
Moxie Pip's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,853
Stephen Hi,I noticed when I looked you up on OPR that since the original post in this thread that you have kept slogging away on these. That's a good thing if this is where your current BR considerations and/or learning curve area tells you that you should be.

A couple points I would like to make and I hope these will help you.

1. As soon as I saw Skillz and hd's ID's in the first 2 hand histories you posted I knew that there was a good likeliehood that they would be the villians. I've used their chips on a few occasions in the past for profitable forays in these 90 man's. And yeah,once or twice I've been burned by these 2 goofs when their miracle hit. But if either of these 2 has ever outplayed me in a hand,I'll be Damned if I can remember it. You have to focus on 2 things here: That you WANT players to make these kind of calls (and at these levels there are alot more that will accommodate you) and that sometimes you're gonna get gypped when they do. Remember if you are skilled enough to ALWAYS get your chips in as an 80% favorite on average,you are statistically supposed to lose 1 in 5 times. When it happens in a pivotal/crucial hand it sucks rocks. Been there,done that,have the tee shirt.

Look at your bigger picture here: Since the 1st of the month,as per the most recent update on OPR,you are 13/46 ITM (28%) and have returned a $10.63 profit on an $11.50 investment in these 90 man's for a +92% ROI. Dude you are straight killing it,why would you want to quit these?

I always try to wrap my head around the FACT,not the belief,not the "feeling",the FACT,that when I enter one of these .25 SNG's,be it a 90 or 45 man,that I'm either going to be short at some point and have to stick it in with a less than ideal hand,OR more likely,I'm going to get bad beat out by some clueless donk. 90% of the time it's going to go down like that,whether it's after I made a little money first is the only thing that concerns me. So I guess you could say I try to focus on the WHEN as to this happening,not the IF.

Because I know it's coming,sooner or later.

Hope this helped.

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