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Skill League?! - Mon Mar 21, 2011, 09:21 PM
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Ok I get the fact your going to get donkeys in every MTT especially free ones but I just dontget this guys play, he actually acts asif he thinks he has a really good hand. DidI play this wrong? I thought i pushed my chips in to the middle in a profitable situation. It just never seems to go my way at all.



or how about this hand? again ment to be a 'skill league' another stupid raise from villian another good place to get my chips allin and another ridiculous suckout...



I know its profitable to play against these types of players in the long run but its frustrating me so bad that its ment to be a league about testing your skill and knowledge and the people who have none or dont care win regardless.
 
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?? - Mon Mar 21, 2011, 09:42 PM
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dont let it bug you- it gonna happen ALOT-
 
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Mon Mar 21, 2011, 11:05 PM
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first 5-10 levels.. anything can happen. Just play the correct way and you'll be ok in the long run.
 
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Mon Mar 21, 2011, 11:59 PM
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In a standard MTT you did nothing wrong, just got unlucky, sometimes that happens. I don't know what your goal is for the PSO skill league, if your going for the $2 top prize in the individual tournaments you played both hands well. However, if you are trying to accumulate points for your ranking to get a nice end of month prize, you shouldn't be risking a lot of chips in the first level with a hand like AK. Your goal should be to survive long enough for positive points and risky all ins can be really detrimental to your ranking if you don't win the hand. With AA getting all the chips in the middle preflop was a great result in any tournament, thats just a nasty suckout, take some deep breath's and try to shake it off.

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Tue Mar 22, 2011, 02:31 AM
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In the first one, shoving AK isn't great. You know he's not folding and you're not really that far ahead of much (except smaller aces). KK/AA would be a good push, but not AK. Just not worth it here. Call with AK and reevaluate on the flop. You still have a lot of BBs behind.

The second one just sucks. You had your aces cracked. It happens, and it will happen again. it was the right play, but you lost. At least you still have about 3500 chips. Remember that that guy is an idiot and keep on playing. Don't rely on your fold equity against that guy (as clearly you have none), but shove for value...
 
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Tue Mar 22, 2011, 06:57 AM
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yeh i understand it was a bad move with the AK the reason why i posted it was because he 3 bets me with A3 and then he calls a 4 bet just seems ridiculous. The second hand was quite deep in the tournament so I think i played that well I just can't believe he min raised UTG with trash then calls an ALLIN from a stack thats double his then hits a 3 outer on the river. I could understand if he was pot committed or had a nice pocket pair I just cant believe the luck everyone had against me that day. cheers for the comments guys.

p.s after that AA hand i actually got a nice run of cards and shoved allin with every one of them of course everyone thought i was on tilt and i got a call from AK when i had KK and it held up for once so i did bounce back but as soon as that happened i got moved to another table with stacks 4x the size of mine where all i could do was push preflop because of the obvious bullying for the blinds/antes.

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Tue Mar 22, 2011, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by oriholic View Post
In the first one, shoving AK isn't great. You know he's not folding and you're not really that far ahead of much (except smaller aces). KK/AA would be a good push, but not AK. Just not worth it here. Call with AK and reevaluate on the flop. You still have a lot of BBs behind.

The second one just sucks. You had your aces cracked. It happens, and it will happen again. it was the right play, but you lost. At least you still have about 3500 chips. Remember that that guy is an idiot and keep on playing. Don't rely on your fold equity against that guy (as clearly you have none), but shove for value...
Actually he is a 74% favorite with those starting hands... complete domination in fact
 
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Tue Mar 22, 2011, 10:22 AM
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Triggz, the donkey type players don't know what the fold button is, your 3 bet and 5 bet doesn't mean anything to them. In the PSO skill league I like to just call for 2X the BB and try and hit a big flop. 3 betting builds a big pot with an unmade hand, against a player who wont fold, because you miss the flop something like 2/3 times, calling is a much safer play.

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Tue Mar 22, 2011, 01:57 PM
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Early in the mtt when the stacks are deep as they are on level 1 here, I generally prefer to keep the pot small preflop and maneuver post flop after I can better judge my hand strength... this allows me to control the size of the pot better and craft a more appropriate pot size post when I wish to continue. I'm usually only 3b with QQ-AA this early, sometimes not even QQ.

That being said, if I'm going to opt to take a more aggressive/higher variance chip accumulation approach to the tourney (like I would in a fast structure, say a turbo), then a player who will stack themselves off with A-rag is exactly the type we want to attack with AK.

Neither approach is right or wrong imo, they are a matter of style and structure... in a really slow structure the former is probably best, while in a really fast structure the latter is probably best. PSO skill league I think most who play for monthly ranking argue that the former is best here as it will lead to far less early bust outs. But the actual structure of the skill league mtt's probably is somewhat neutral in regards to the decision of how to play these spots on level 1.
 

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