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chat etiquette/rules question - Wed Mar 23, 2011, 12:18 PM
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Is announcing your intent to raise all in before other active players have acted a violation of Pokerstar's tournament chat policy?

PokerStars Card Room rule #20 states:

“You may not make any chat comments which may affect the play of any hand or tournament, even if you are an observer. There are two exceptions to this rule:

1. In cash game hands which are heads up (everyone else has folded, or the hand started with two players) the two players involved may chat as they wish.

2. In tournaments which are heads up (everyone else has been knocked out of the tournament, or the tournament started with two players), the two players involved may chat as they wish.”



PokerStars Game #59668865530: Tournament #368288580, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/03/23 13:06:18 ET
Table '368288580 51' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: VirgoTox (1580 in chips)
Seat 2: GG0610 (1470 in chips)
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 (1710 in chips)
Seat 4: VoidIQ (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: honorary81 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: DLeviathan (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: De Hitman (1200 in chips)
Seat 8: tyrone99 (1620 in chips)
Seat 9: yjing (1480 in chips)
tyrone99: posts small blind 10
yjing: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DLeviathan [6s 5s]
VirgoTox: folds
GG0610: folds
NORBERTO420: folds
VoidIQ: folds
honorary81: calls 20
DLeviathan: raises 40 to 60
De Hitman: calls 60
tyrone99: folds
De Hitman said, "nothing to gain so i got nothing lose so watch your self if i catch somet"
De Hitman said, "hope your ready for an allin"
yjing has timed out
yjing: folds
yjing is sitting out
honorary81: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [7c Kc 7s]
honorary81: checks
DLeviathan said, "De Hitman -- when you get a chance, read the Pokerstars policy on chat during tournaments."
DLeviathan: checks
De Hitman: bets 1140 and is all-in
honorary81: folds
DLeviathan: folds
Uncalled bet (1140) returned to De Hitman
De Hitman collected 210 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 210 | Rake 0
Board [7c Kc 7s]
Seat 1: VirgoTox folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GG0610 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: VoidIQ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: honorary81 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: DLeviathan folded on the Flop
Seat 7: De Hitman (button) collected (210)
Seat 8: tyrone99 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: yjing (big blind) folded before Flop

Last edited by DLeviathan; Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM..
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011, 12:38 PM
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Imho that would be a violation, nice of you to inform him..... what was his reply?
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011, 12:44 PM
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It's absolutely a violation.
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011, 01:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roomik17 View Post
Imho that would be a violation, nice of you to inform him..... what was his reply?
He thanked me for my helpful advice. Well, actually, no. He didn't.

If you want to wade through the HH's to find the chat, have at it.

PokerStars Game #59668983637: Tournament #368288580, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/03/23 13:08:38 ET
Table '368288580 51' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: VirgoTox (1580 in chips)
Seat 2: GG0610 (1470 in chips)
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 (1710 in chips)
Seat 5: honorary81 (1440 in chips)
Seat 6: DLeviathan (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: De Hitman (1350 in chips)
Seat 8: tyrone99 (1610 in chips)
Seat 9: yjing (1460 in chips) is sitting out
yjing: posts small blind 10
VirgoTox: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DLeviathan [5c Qc]
De Hitman said, "what i cant talk"
GG0610: folds
yjing has returned
NORBERTO420: folds
honorary81: folds
kennywin2 is connected
DLeviathan: folds
De Hitman: calls 20
tyrone99: folds
yjing: calls 10
VirgoTox: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ac 8d 2c]
yjing: checks
DLeviathan said, "I could tell you my interpretation of Pokerstars tournament chat policy if you want to hear it from me."
VirgoTox: checks
De Hitman: checks
*** TURN *** [Ac 8d 2c] [5d]
yjing: checks
VirgoTox: checks
De Hitman said, "if you like"
DLeviathan said, "But you are better off reading it yourself."
De Hitman: bets 60
yjing: calls 60
VirgoTox: folds
*** RIVER *** [Ac 8d 2c 5d] [Qd]
yjing: checks
De Hitman: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
yjing: shows [8c Ad] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
De Hitman: mucks hand
yjing collected 180 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 180 | Rake 0
Board [Ac 8d 2c 5d Qd]
Seat 1: VirgoTox (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: GG0610 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: honorary81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DLeviathan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: De Hitman mucked [3d 2h]
Seat 8: tyrone99 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: yjing (small blind) showed [8c Ad] and won (180) with two pair, Aces and Eights



PokerStars Game #59669051353: Tournament #368288580, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/03/23 13:09:59 ET
Table '368288580 51' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: VirgoTox (1560 in chips)
Seat 2: Eerie66 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 (1710 in chips)
Seat 4: kennywin2 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: honorary81 (1440 in chips)
Seat 6: DLeviathan (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: De Hitman (1270 in chips)
Seat 8: tyrone99 (1610 in chips)
Seat 9: yjing (1560 in chips)
VirgoTox: posts small blind 10
Eerie66: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DLeviathan [7s Ad]
NORBERTO420: calls 20
kennywin2: folds
honorary81: folds
DLeviathan: folds
De Hitman: calls 20
tyrone99: folds
yjing: folds
VirgoTox: folds
Eerie66: checks
*** FLOP *** [6d Jc 8d]
DLeviathan said, "My interpretation: It is a violation of pokerstars policy to use chat to influence other's play in a tournament."
Eerie66: checks
NORBERTO420: bets 60
De Hitman: calls 60
Eerie66: calls 60
*** TURN *** [6d Jc 8d] [Kc]
Eerie66: checks
NORBERTO420: checks
De Hitman: checks
*** RIVER *** [6d Jc 8d Kc] [4d]
Eerie66: bets 100
De Hitman said, "and how am i influencing any one play"
NORBERTO420: calls 100
De Hitman: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Eerie66: shows [7d Js] (a pair of Jacks)
NORBERTO420: mucks hand
tyrone99 said, "calm down kid"
Eerie66 collected 450 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Board [6d Jc 8d Kc 4d]
Seat 1: VirgoTox (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Eerie66 (big blind) showed [7d Js] and won (450) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 mucked [8s 9s]
Seat 4: kennywin2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: honorary81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DLeviathan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: De Hitman folded on the River
Seat 8: tyrone99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: yjing (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)



PokerStars Game #59669122630: Tournament #368288580, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/03/23 13:11:25 ET
Table '368288580 51' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: VirgoTox (1550 in chips)
Seat 2: Eerie66 (1770 in chips)
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 (1530 in chips)
Seat 4: kennywin2 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: honorary81 (1440 in chips)
Seat 6: DLeviathan (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: De Hitman (1190 in chips)
Seat 8: tyrone99 (1610 in chips)
Seat 9: yjing (1560 in chips)
Eerie66: posts small blind 15
NORBERTO420: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DLeviathan [5d 3h]
kennywin2: folds
honorary81: folds
DLeviathan: folds
De Hitman: folds
tyrone99 said, "he didnt do anything"
tyrone99: folds
yjing: calls 30
VirgoTox: calls 30
Eerie66: raises 30 to 60
De Hitman said, "damn right i aint"
NORBERTO420: calls 30
yjing: calls 30
VirgoTox: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [3c 7h Qs]
Eerie66: bets 30
NORBERTO420: raises 120 to 150
yjing: folds
VirgoTox: folds
Eerie66: raises 120 to 270
NORBERTO420: calls 120
*** TURN *** [3c 7h Qs] [6s]
Eerie66: bets 60
NORBERTO420: raises 60 to 120
Eerie66: calls 60
*** RIVER *** [3c 7h Qs 6s] [3s]
Eerie66: bets 60
DLeviathan said, "I will post the following question in the forum and see what other people think: Is announcing your intention to shove all in before other active players have acted a violation of pokerstars tournament chat rules?"
NORBERTO420: calls 60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Eerie66: shows [9c 9h] (two pair, Nines and Threes)
NORBERTO420: mucks hand
Eerie66 collected 1140 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1140 | Rake 0
Board [3c 7h Qs 6s 3s]
Seat 1: VirgoTox (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Eerie66 (small blind) showed [9c 9h] and won (1140) with two pair, Nines and Threes
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 (big blind) mucked [6h Th]
Seat 4: kennywin2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: honorary81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DLeviathan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: De Hitman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: tyrone99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: yjing folded on the Flop



PokerStars Game #59669239337: Tournament #368288580, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/03/23 13:13:45 ET
Table '368288580 51' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: VirgoTox (1490 in chips)
Seat 2: Eerie66 (2400 in chips)
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 (1020 in chips)
Seat 4: kennywin2 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: honorary81 (1440 in chips)
Seat 6: DLeviathan (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: De Hitman (1190 in chips)
Seat 8: tyrone99 (1610 in chips)
Seat 9: yjing (1500 in chips)
NORBERTO420: posts small blind 15
kennywin2: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DLeviathan [Jh 7s]
honorary81: folds
DLeviathan: folds
De Hitman: calls 30
tyrone99: folds
yjing: raises 60 to 90
tyrone99 said, "u r stupid"
VirgoTox: folds
Eerie66: folds
De Hitman said, "haha this geezer is a joke"
NORBERTO420: raises 930 to 1020 and is all-in
kennywin2: folds
De Hitman: folds
yjing: folds
Uncalled bet (930) returned to NORBERTO420
NORBERTO420 collected 240 from pot
NORBERTO420: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 240 | Rake 0
Seat 1: VirgoTox folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Eerie66 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NORBERTO420 (small blind) collected (240)
Seat 4: kennywin2 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: honorary81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DLeviathan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: De Hitman folded before Flop
Seat 8: tyrone99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: yjing folded before Flop

Last edited by DLeviathan; Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:45 PM..
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011, 01:33 PM
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Always amusing (sarcasm) how a third party (Tyrone) has to throw their 2 cents in too.

I would say this is definitely a violation...after all, isn't he trying to affect someone's play by the comment. Therefore it affects everyone who is in the tournament. That is exactly what the rule is about.
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011, 01:54 PM
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send it to support
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011, 03:01 PM
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I think it is definitely a violation, I have played in many a freeroll where this type of thing has happened. Just the other day I was playing an NAPL shootout qualifier, when a player stated, "I need to leave I'm going all in every hand take my chips." The next hand the guy says, "I have 72" and goes all in, player in the BB calls him with A7 and sure enough the guy had 72. I'm not sure how to go about contacting pokerstars when this happens. Do you call for the chat moderator or send in an E mail?
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PaidInFull6 View Post
I think it is definitely a violation, I have played in many a freeroll where this type of thing has happened. Just the other day I was playing an NAPL shootout qualifier, when a player stated, "I need to leave I'm going all in every hand take my chips." The next hand the guy says, "I have 72" and goes all in, player in the BB calls him with A7 and sure enough the guy had 72. I'm not sure how to go about contacting pokerstars when this happens. Do you call for the chat moderator or send in an E mail?
You could call a mod at the moment...however, I feel it's better to send it in to chat@pokerstars.com or support@pokerstars.com . Make sure to include the hand history which will include all chat.
 

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