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PLO - test your intuiton - Tue Nov 05, 2002, 06:52 PM
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Omaha High , showdown

A:s:A:c:T:d:9:h: vs 7:d:6:d:5:c:4:c: ....

What would you estimate the chances of the 2 hands in %age terms?

(no cheating with Turbo simulations and such, now )

cheers !
 
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Re: PLO - test your intuiton - Tue Nov 05, 2002, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rosita
Omaha High , showdown

A:s:A:c:T:d:9:h: vs 7:d:6:d:5:c:4:c: ....

What would you estimate the chances of the 2 hands in %age terms?

(no cheating with Turbo simulations and such, now )

cheers !
Well, let's see...

Advantages of AAT9r:

- The aces -- can win without improvement, and can provide protection if the board pairs.
- T9 negates some of the straight power of the small rundown (though not much).

Advantages of 7654ds:

- Powerful hand for straights...can make a straight with 98x, 87x (except 876), etc.
- Double-suited...powerful against a rainbow hand
- No pair means it's not so dominated against a big pair, as two pair is made more easily

I would give a slight edge to 7654ds in this case.

Chris
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2002, 10:23 PM
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I'll go so far as to guess a large advantage for the 4567ds. 3:2 advantage 4567ds.
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2002, 11:50 PM
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Raise Pot!!!

I like my chances just fine now.

Later,
Wendell

(give me either hand)
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2002, 11:02 AM
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well rosita, seems like a lota poker instructions start with "that depends"

guess that's true here too. are these two hands playing ONLY against each other? or, are they at a full table? etc?

if I have to choose between the two, the little cards may win more than the AA. but I really don't like either one
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2002, 12:44 PM
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guess that's true here too. are these two hands playing ONLY against each other? or, are they at a full table? etc?

if I have to choose between the two, the little cards may win more than the AA. but I really don't like either one
In this case it's showdown - theoretical, headsup, all-in etc.
 
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Give Me the 7 6 5 4 - Wed Nov 06, 2002, 12:46 PM
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I'll take the "Small Rundown" hand [as TJ calls it] every time.

1. Easy to get away from if a Raise War starts pre-flop!

2. Easy to fold if the flop doesn't hit the hand!!

3. If the Flop hits me, it's likely it doesn't hit anyone else!!

4. No ego involved: as in "I can't lay down A A!!"

5. Finally, flop a 8 5 4 and you've probably locked in the AA for a lot of bets!! Flop an A K Q Q and it doesn't cost you any more!!

Odds: I don't know precisely, but I'd guess something like a 3:1 favorite over the AAT9 rainbow IF I play past the flop!!

I do expect, though, to win more chips with 7654 than with AAT9 over time!
 
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Re: Give Me the 7 6 5 4 - Wed Nov 06, 2002, 02:37 PM
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I do expect, though, to win more chips with 7654 than with AAT9 over time!
I think I'd agree, especially if you have position with the 7654.
A bit (stress "bit") like AKo vs JJ in hold'em?
The JJ is a technical favourite, but can often find itself in trouble post flop?

cheers
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2002, 07:37 PM
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56% for the AAT9o

44% for the 4567ds

Randy
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2002, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rggator
56% for the AAT9o

44% for the 4567ds

Randy
Pretty good.
According to Barbara Yoon on rgp it's about 53-47 in favour of the Aces, headsup and all-in. I'm just taking her word for it.
In real-life play it gets trickier, but if you find yourself headsup vs The Devilfish in a WSOP PLO tournament, you could pick a much worse hand than 7654ss to make a stand.

cheers
 
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omaha hand - Wed Nov 13, 2002, 04:03 AM
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This seems fairly close- I don't care for the dry aces, especially
since there are no flush possibilities here. I don't wan't to stand raises and reraises with this hand, as I'm hoping to play it cheaply before and after the flop. Even if an ace or straight cards come, my hand is difficult to improve.

I'd rate this hand about 52% for the dry aces.

Alan
 
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omaha hand - Wed Nov 13, 2002, 04:08 AM
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This seems fairly close- I don't care for the dry aces, especially
since there are no flush possibilities here. I don't wan't to stand raises and reraises with this hand, as I'm hoping to play it cheaply before and after the flop. Even if an ace or straight cards come, my hand is difficult to improve.

I'd rate this hand about 52% for the dry aces.

Alan
 
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omaha hand - Wed Nov 13, 2002, 04:08 AM
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This seems fairly close- I don't care for the dry aces, especially
since there are no flush possibilities here. I don't wan't to stand raises and reraises with this hand, as I'm hoping to play it cheaply before and after the flop. Even if an ace or straight cards come, my hand is difficult to improve.

I'd rate this hand about 52% for the dry aces.

Alan
 

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