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? for anyone over 20K hands in cash ring games - Mon Mar 28, 2011, 07:06 PM
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Hey all, I'd like some help w/ my question. If you have 20K+ in hands played in cash ring Please post and help me out. I've changed my play style this year and base on very short results, I've found it to be a winning change. I would like to start to make a run at SuperNova ( regular, not elite ) this year, but, I've a very small sample size. I'm gonna alternate days next month running 2 2/4 FLHE 6 max, and 4 1/2 FLHE 6 max every other day, playing 2 hours cash everyday. I've had good runs, but, I always tend to quit when I'm ahead. 1. I don't really enjoy playing poker. I do it as a means to make money. 2. I don't know what a good average long term would be. I know that ppl say 2 BB/100 hands or so. Just wondering if this is a good target or, if it should be higher. Any, and all help would be appreciated. Thanks all and GL -shark
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 07:08 PM
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good luck! but I dont think you can do it playing 2 hours a day..most of those guys play 8-10 at 15+ tables
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 07:12 PM
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good luck! but I dont think you can do it playing 2 hours a day..most of those guys play 8-10 at 15+ tables
I'm going to start for next month. I've done the calculations. I should be able to hit super by EoY w/ 4 1/2 6 max FLHE if i do 20 hours a week w/ a steady mtt line up of 8-10 $55's/ week. BTW roomik17, How do you post so quickly? Do u always have the forums up?
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 07:14 PM
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pretty much lol.. sitting here sick with nothing better to do
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 07:20 PM
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I'm going to start for next month. I've done the calculations. I should be able to hit super by EoY w/ 4 1/2 6 max FLHE if i do 20 hours a week w/ a steady mtt line up of 8-10 $55's/ week. BTW roomik17, How do you post so quickly? Do u always have the forums up?
PSO forum location - pineapple under the sea. :d
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 10:11 PM
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1. I don't really enjoy playing poker.
That is going to be an issue when going for supernova or supernova elite. You will have to put in a lot of hours, and put up with some horrible abuse from lady luck at times. The drive to make money and pay your bills may be enough... but having a true love of the game is an important factor when contemplating this kind of goal.
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 10:22 PM
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I can't help you with the figures, but I'm in 100% agreement with Rockerguy's comments.

Most people that actually make money from this game make less than they would from a regular job. The reason they do it is because of a love for the game and the "perceived" freedom it gives them to work when they want and not to be answerable to anyone. If you truly don't get enjoyment from the game, irrespective of whether you make money, I can pretty much guarantee you'll throw in the towel long before you reach your stated objective.
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 10:44 PM
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Shark,

I admire your goals and the means in which you want to achieve them. I am one that will always believe that if you want to do something. You can.....you just have to find some other way that no one else has to get there.

My thought is that you will need to consistantly change your game. Once you become a reg in any specific game. People will rail and watch you all they can. With that being said. You are smart enough that you can and will adjust on the fly.

I have over 2 million hands at NLRG over the last few years. At a rate of 3.85BB/100 Hands played. This isn't much in the world of online poker anymore but it isn't enough for me to survive without a job. If just for insurance reasons. I wish you all the luck in the world.

JT
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 11:07 PM
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Are you talking about playing 6 max limit exclusively? If so, you can probably make Supernova by playing four tables of 2/4 6 max for 14 hours a week. This should get you right around 10k VPPs per month. If you add in some turbo tourneys/SnGs you can knock that down to 3 cash games and a turbo tourney for your 2 hours at a time.

Check out http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/calculator/ to get an idea of where you stand.
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 11:21 PM
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2. I don't know what a good average long term would be. I know that ppl say 2 BB/100 hands or so. Just wondering if this is a good target or, if it should be higher
Unless I'm mistaken, what you win is irrelevant if your only goal is to make Supernova. It's all in what gets raked. So, if having a win percentage is important to you, it might be a good idea to make your goals more clear. If you want to support yourself by playing poker, that's one thing. Getting extra rakeback is basically a bonus on top of that.

Sounds like a fun goal. I think I might eventually aim for Supernova too, if I'm a serious winning player by next January. Big if, though.

 
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Mon Mar 28, 2011, 11:39 PM
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1. I don't really enjoy playing poker.
thats a shame dude, best of luck with your goals though!
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 06:39 AM
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Shark,

I admire your goals and the means in which you want to achieve them. I am one that will always believe that if you want to do something. You can.....you just have to find some other way that no one else has to get there.


JT
Ok,,,listen up Shark,,,I also admire your goals, as I admire those who have reached that level of play.
Now, for instance, if you want to be a pilot, you do what others have done to achieve that goal.
If you want to be a CEO, MD, CFP, ect.,,,well follow the path of those who have done it.
If you want to achieve SuperNova status,,do what others have done.

The blueprint is there, find it, study it, emulate it,,,,you will succeed.
Do not innovate, experiment, adlib, deviate
We should make that blueprint avaliable to all who aspire to this lofty goal-step by step
What a great project that would be,,,might ever get you a Nobel Poker Prize or SuperNove status.

What has been done is documented, no reason to reinvent the wheel, and I volunteer to dig up a part of that process for you and others
>Dem

p.s. Maybe PSO could come up w/ a course on Achieving SuperNove Status - guidelines for excellence

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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 12:22 PM
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I can't help you with the figures, but I'm in 100% agreement with Rockerguy's comments.

Most people that actually make money from this game make less than they would from a regular job. The reason they do it is because of a love for the game and the "perceived" freedom it gives them to work when they want and not to be answerable to anyone. If you truly don't get enjoyment from the game, irrespective of whether you make money, I can pretty much guarantee you'll throw in the towel long before you reach your stated objective.
Well TY all for you comments and help. Dark, it is that exact perception of freedom that you speak of to which I am playing poker instead of getting a real job. As for my non "love of the game", I've been playing poker for almost 20 years now. Seriously on and off for about 5 years. Live and online. I've seen a ton of poker and I believe to be truly great, you do need a passion for the game. The true great really do have a "love of the game". I truly admire all those who love this game and all its aspects. I use to be able to do 12 hours sessions day in and day out. Those days are long and gone. When I play about 3 or 4 hours live, I'm usually crawling out of my seat by then. Online, about 2 hours is my max, before I start to go stir crazy. I enjoy tourneys a lot more than anything else, so, PSO has been good from me. Not necessarily the play in skill tourneys, but, as I usually have another MTT going at the time, it has, and will still be fun. I don't aspire to be an Ivey, Hansen, or a Lakk. I just like to freedom that poker brings, and will continue to strive for my goals. I may make it, I may not. But, the fun is in the trying and winning money for me.

I'm thankful for the PSO, and the community here because, although I may not love poker the way I use too, I love this community. It's fun, tough, and sometimes a harsh wake up. Once again. Thanks for all the help, critique, and all around entertainment. I will keep you updated, and please help me stay focused and in check. TY all VM. -shark
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 12:53 PM
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http://www.bestpokersites.org/blog/h...okerstars/565/ GG
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 01:38 PM
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Wish you the best of luck Shark and look forward to your updates. Poker for me is a hobby and I enjoy it as my break from my job, life etc. Looking to be a better player but having fun is main reason to play. I had stopped playing online till I found PSO and this community, the support and people found here have made this go around 1000x times more fun.

I used to play live back in the late 90s in SouthLake Tahoe - one poker room back then and we all knew each other and would have fun preying on the weekend tourists. Very micro version of that scene from Rounders when they are all in Atlantic City. Was taught limit omaha h/l by an "old veteran" and had a blast. Many of those regulars grinded out 10 to 12 hours a day on the felt as their way of making a living. Always thought that was a tough way to make a living.

Look at the bright side - today you can do in a couple hours what used to take them an entire week. I have no doubt you will fulfill your goal
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 02:38 PM
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I have well over 100k hand of NL and about 17K of 1/2 limit hands my win rate at 1/2 limit is 1.78 BB/100 on my poker tracker stats. Note that most people when talking limit win rate BB refers to BIG BETS per 100 not Big Blind For Big Bets it is the bet on the turn and river that you are counting.

1/2 limit BB would be $2 not the Big Blind of $1
2/4 limit BB would be $4 not the Big Blind of $2

So for me im making about 1.78*$2 or $3.56 per 100. Avg about 50 hands per hour so a whooping $1.78 an hour.

playing 6 hand 2/4 limit looks avg pot is around $18 so approximately $1 in rake per hand that equates to 5.5 VPP's per hand/table or 5.5/6 VPP's per person = .91. Looks like they are averaging close to 100 hands per hour so you will get about 9.1VPP per hour per table.

100,000VPP per year = 8,333.33 per month @ 2/4 limit should take you 8,333.33/ 9.1 = 916 hours per month. 916/30 = 30.5 hours per day, playing 2 hours a day you would need to play 15 tables at a time by my quick calculations
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 02:44 PM
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I think I should go back to shootin craps,,,,all math,,no donks
>Dem
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 06:25 PM
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I think I should go back to shootin craps,,,,all math,,no donks
>Dem
I love craps. I have only 2 other gambling leaks to my poker game. Well 3 if you count Datz. Pai Gow Tiles, and Craps. Those 2 games are the only other games I love to play win or lose. I'm nutz at times. Once played Craps for 72 hours straight. Sick when shift changes and ppl are all talkin bout you. LOL
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 08:44 PM
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It's too bad PS doesn't have a craps table,,I'd be spending most of my time on the wrong side. Maybe sometime we'll go over the finer points of playing craps - right side vs. wrong side
>Dem

p.s.,,,,Club World Casinos has the nicest online craps table I've ever seen,,,Play for free if you want,,,Check it out

p.s.s....Just thinkin out loud about your situation,,,,You might want to incorporate a block of time for craps. If your interested, I can share a few almost sure-fire plays to make steady $ on the darkside.

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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 02:53 PM
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If your interested, I can share a few almost sure-fire plays to make steady $ on the darkside.


I would be interested for you to share.
 

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