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two days of no cards? - Tue Mar 29, 2011, 01:39 PM
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Anyone else ever feel like the poker stars software is totally against you. I've walked away from this game quite a few times over the last year. After some time away I came back, start off by winning a couple, losing a couple, but yet slowly start building a bank roll, after a week of that, it turns around to a consatnt lose lose lose lose, can't catch any cards worth while to play, and when I do the communtiy cards never work for them. I can't play any tighter of a game other than to simple sit out, and when I got something worth while to act aggresive, I get burned by the river everytime.
They say in this poker school you should only play 20% off your hands, I havne't even been able to play 10% over the last two days. Sure I've seen some hands go by that I would've won with 3,5 off suit two pairs, but when do call with low cards like that.
Sure everyone deals with bad beats, but I've had two days of constant bad beat after another and another. Really doesn't feel right to me!
Anyone else?
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 03:01 PM
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I am currently going through not the most enjoyable *month* of no cards, no luck, or no skill so it's not just you. I've had a set of kings beaten by a set of Aces at it's lowest point.

Try not to worry about the cards you didnt play. You folded 53s for a reason - it's because it sucks. If you did hit something, chances are that was a very rare thing even if it doesnt seem it.

If you are comfortable with your game, then continue. The advice to read up more and play less is a sound one. Playing will just frustrate you, and study will enrich your knowledge and eventually power.

Things will get a bit better, just remember that things will even out eventually - dont get too downhearted!
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 05:52 PM
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Anyone else ever feel like the poker stars software is totally against you. I've walked away from this game quite a few times over the last year. After some time away I came back, start off by winning a couple, losing a couple, but yet slowly start building a bank roll, after a week of that, it turns around to a consatnt lose lose lose lose, can't catch any cards worth while to play, and when I do the communtiy cards never work for them. I can't play any tighter of a game other than to simple sit out, and when I got something worth while to act aggresive, I get burned by the river everytime.
They say in this poker school you should only play 20% off your hands, I havne't even been able to play 10% over the last two days. Sure I've seen some hands go by that I would've won with 3,5 off suit two pairs, but when do call with low cards like that.
Sure everyone deals with bad beats, but I've had two days of constant bad beat after another and another. Really doesn't feel right to me!
Anyone else?

At this point I'm looking back with fondness to when I was 2 days into the cooler run that I'm on,as it's 12 days and counting now. Having absolutely ZERO fun playing poker right now,and my frequency of play in cash MTT/SNG entries reflect that. Ever since I took a 4th in the .25 $100 added MTT almost 2 weeks ago ($33 for a .25 investment,beating out almost 2K runners--no complaints there....),my cards have been complete shit. Rarely seeing AA and when I do it's for a small pot everytime. KK? Try 8 wins and 11 losses holding them during this streak. QQ,AK (suited and not),JJ,AQ and 1010 all well below normal win %'s.And coming less than they should to boot. When I get hands that I like to play with (speculative hands like mid-to-small pairs,suited connectors,decent sized non-suited connectors,Ax suited,strong K's and Q's.....) it's mostly been out of position or on a table where you are going to have to way over-invest in such a hand because you have 2-4 players coming into every hand,usually with shit but not always.

My .25 45/90 man SNG's I'm getting nuked by no cards and then river sucks against me when I finally do get something. MTT's I'm having to bust mt ass for just the occasional min-cash.The one place where I'm doing decently are the $1.10 50/50 SNG's,but that's mostly due to the nature of the games themselves,i.e.,you can sit on the sidelines if card dead and watch 5 donks take themselves out most times.

As to PSO,on Saturday after cashing in my first game I was probably around 40th on the Leaderboard (hard to be sure with the board being down all weekend........),and had designs on making a run for the top 10. Been there before,know what it takes. Since then I've been on an unbelievable run of crappy cards--seeing literally 4.7% of flops since then. Have'nt seen AA in 6 games,QQ twice (won a small blind steal pot,lost after my pre-flop 3.5x bet was called and an Ace flopped,dude raised all-in post and showed his stellar A6o after my fold ),and AK has been good 1 time out of 5.So not only are'nt the premium hands coming,they are'nt winning when they do,a most toxic combination. And we all know how playing specualtive hands out of position,or playing position period on a table chock full of ATC donks tends to turn out---and these are the table I've been landing on almost exsclusively during this streak. So playing actual poker is out the window,as these dopes are playing Bingo.

I did'nt mention KK hands I know. I've seen one in PSO during this run,last night,the last PSO I have played as of this post.

Here are the sordid details....................

PokerStars Game #59978610340: Tournament #368288703, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2011/03/28 21:05:04 ET
Table '368288703 35' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: 3Queens1 (1850 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: sladjana11 (1950 in chips)
Seat 3: Cathyannp (5035 in chips)
Seat 4: kcirred5 (3135 in chips)
Seat 5: JBUGpoker (8330 in chips)
Seat 6: smartyboy (560 in chips)
Seat 7: Moxie Pip (705 in chips)
Seat 8: SeanDeans (675 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: dealermann (1005 in chips) is sitting out
kcirred5: posts small blind 100
JBUGpoker: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moxie Pip [Kc Kd]
smartyboy: calls 200
Moxie Pip: raises 505 to 705 and is all-in
SeanDeans: folds
dealermann: folds
3Queens1: folds
sladjana11: folds
Cathyannp: calls 705
kcirred5: folds
JBUGpoker: folds
smartyboy: calls 360 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [9c 7c 8c]
*** TURN *** [9c 7c 8c] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [9c 7c 8c Qs] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Moxie Pip: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Cathyannp: shows [Ks Qd] (a pair of Queens)
Moxie Pip collected 290 from side pot
smartyboy: shows [Qh Tc] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
smartyboy collected 1980 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2270 Main pot 1980. Side pot 290. | Rake 0
Board [9c 7c 8c Qs Th]
Seat 1: 3Queens1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sladjana11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Cathyannp (button) showed [Ks Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: kcirred5 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: JBUGpoker (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: smartyboy showed [Qh Tc] and won (1980) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 7: Moxie Pip showed [Kc Kd] and won (290) with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: SeanDeans folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dealermann

When it rains,it pours I guess.But like tom said,all you can do is keep playing solid poker and hope that it turns sooner rather than later. For me it's about trying to claw back into the top 98 now,top 10 is pretty much out the window now.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2011, 08:30 PM
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Forwarn you... 2 days is nothing. I've had some months where I've gone on 2-3 WEEK coolers.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 01:57 PM
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This is the kind of dealing happening ag
ainst me over and over. Did I really do anything wrong betting wise?
*********** # 1 **************PokerStars Game #60064089911: Tournament #380524170, $0.25+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/03/30 13:48:18 ETTable '380524170 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BALSAS99 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: delano11 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: birdie721 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: vicentx (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: maricilie85 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: grusman (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: devlieger01 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: stringslingr (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Medjee (1500 in chips)
delano11: posts small blind 10
birdie721: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stringslingr [Qs Kh]
vicentx: folds
maricilie85: calls 20
grusman: calls 20
devlieger01: folds
stringslingr: raises 80 to 100
Medjee: folds
BALSAS99: calls 100
delano11: raises 1400 to 1500 and is all-in
birdie721: folds
maricilie85: folds
grusman: folds
stringslingr: calls 1400 and is all-in
BALSAS99: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 5h 5c]*** TURN *** [5d 5h 5c] [7s]*** RIVER *** [5d 5h 5c 7s] [7h]***
SHOW DOWN ***
delano11: shows [5s As] (four of a kind, Fives)
stringslingr: shows [Qs Kh] (a full house, Fives full of Sevens)
delano11 collected 3160 from pot
stringslingr finished the tournament in 45th place***
SUMMARY ***Total pot 3160 | Rake 0 Board [5d 5h 5c 7s 7h]
Seat 1: BALSAS99 (button) folded before FlopSeat 2: delano11 (small blind) showed [5s As] and won (3160) with four of a kind, FivesSeat 3: birdie721 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: vicentx folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: maricilie85 folded before FlopSeat 6: grusman folded before FlopSeat 7: devlieger01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: stringslingr showed [Qs Kh] and lost with a full house, Fives full of SevensSeat 9: Medjee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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horsepuckys - Wed Mar 30, 2011, 02:30 PM
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Ive had months of it. feels like its never going to change.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 02:47 PM
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and then this. Had him till the damn river card came and drowned me

PokerStars Game #60067340878: Tournament #380528736, $0.10+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2011/03/30 14:44:32 ET
Table '380528736 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: stringslingr (2485 in chips)
Seat 2: PokerStar.K9 (12400 in chips)
Seat 3: FB$$OO7 (8458 in chips)
Seat 4: alcalailla (3942 in chips)
Seat 5: nxatzi80 (11542 in chips)
Seat 6: lamami66 (6622 in chips)
Seat 7: EH Russia (12861 in chips)
Seat 8: mikeypo9 (4170 in chips)
Seat 9: pauli421 (10804 in chips)
stringslingr: posts the ante 50
PokerStar.K9: posts the ante 50
FB$$OO7: posts the ante 50
alcalailla: posts the ante 50
nxatzi80: posts the ante 50
lamami66: posts the ante 50
EH Russia: posts the ante 50
mikeypo9: posts the ante 50
pauli421: posts the ante 50
PokerStar.K9: posts small blind 200
FB$$OO7: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stringslingr [9c 9h]
alcalailla: calls 400
nxatzi80: folds
lamami66: folds
EH Russia: folds
mikeypo9: folds
pauli421: calls 400
stringslingr: raises 2035 to 2435 and is all-in
PokerStar.K9: folds
FB$$OO7: folds
alcalailla: folds
pauli421: calls 2035
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2d 7d]
*** TURN *** [Ah 2d 7d] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 2d 7d 3d] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pauli421: shows [6h 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
stringslingr: shows [9c 9h] (a pair of Nines)
pauli421 collected 6320 from pot
stringslingr finished the tournament in 60th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6320 | Rake 0
Board [Ah 2d 7d 3d 6s]
Seat 1: stringslingr (button) showed [9c 9h] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: PokerStar.K9 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: FB$$OO7 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: alcalailla folded before Flop
Seat 5: nxatzi80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lamami66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: EH Russia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: mikeypo9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pauli421 showed [6h 7c] and won (6320) with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 02:48 PM
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This is the kind of dealing happening ag
ainst me over and over. Did I really do anything wrong betting wise?
*********** # 1 **************PokerStars Game #60064089911: Tournament #380524170, $0.25+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/03/30 13:48:18 ETTable '380524170 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BALSAS99 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: delano11 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: birdie721 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: vicentx (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: maricilie85 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: grusman (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: devlieger01 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: stringslingr (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Medjee (1500 in chips)
delano11: posts small blind 10
birdie721: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stringslingr [Qs Kh]
vicentx: folds
maricilie85: calls 20
grusman: calls 20
devlieger01: folds
stringslingr: raises 80 to 100
Medjee: folds
BALSAS99: calls 100
delano11: raises 1400 to 1500 and is all-in
birdie721: folds
maricilie85: folds
grusman: folds
stringslingr: calls 1400 and is all-in
BALSAS99: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 5h 5c]*** TURN *** [5d 5h 5c] [7s]*** RIVER *** [5d 5h 5c 7s] [7h]***
SHOW DOWN ***
delano11: shows [5s As] (four of a kind, Fives)
stringslingr: shows [Qs Kh] (a full house, Fives full of Sevens)
delano11 collected 3160 from pot
stringslingr finished the tournament in 45th place***
SUMMARY ***Total pot 3160 | Rake 0 Board [5d 5h 5c 7s 7h]
Seat 1: BALSAS99 (button) folded before FlopSeat 2: delano11 (small blind) showed [5s As] and won (3160) with four of a kind, FivesSeat 3: birdie721 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: vicentx folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: maricilie85 folded before FlopSeat 6: grusman folded before FlopSeat 7: devlieger01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: stringslingr showed [Qs Kh] and lost with a full house, Fives full of SevensSeat 9: Medjee folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Yes,this is a BAD play by you here. I'll tell you why.............

A. It's Level I. The earliest levels in any MTT or SNG as you were playing here,you should be playing big pots with dominant hands only (AA,KK pre-flop--big post flop hands like sets or big pairs and top kickers that also have nut straight or nut flush possiblities.....hands like that). The reason being is that the blinds are simply to small to be worth playing speculative/mediocre hands hard. With 2 limpers ahead of you here your play should have been to see the flop as cheaply as possible so a limp would have been apropos here. Once you were raised all-in this hand should have been in the muck immediately.

B. KQ may LOOK like a sexy hand but it's behind alot of other hands,and straight up crushed by many. A5s may look like a typical,harmless A-rag hand but in reality it's ahead of your KQo hand 60-40% pre-flop. Even if you change the suitedness of the situation and make it A5o vs. KQs the odds are still 55-45 against you. All that and only 30$ in chips are laying out there when this hand started. KQo is not a hand you should EVER be hanging your tournament life on unless you're in dire straights. Level I and everyone has the same amount of chips is far,far away from dire straights.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 06:21 PM
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I have experienced the same thing several times over the years. I start playing again and do rather well for a few day to a couple weeks. Then all of a sudden BAM! my luck takes a nosedive and I lose lose lose and lose.

I think I know why this happens. It is all variance. If you play 1-2 tables at a time, you can expect to have this experience every month or two. That said, odds are when you start playing you won't jump into the middle of this downswing. For example, if this kind of downswing happened the last 3 days of every month, then the odds of you starting out unlucky after depositing would be 1/10. Get it?

I play 9 tables at a time now, and I go through this kind of downswing like once a week. The reason is I'm dealt the same amount of hands in a day that a 1-2 tabler might see in a week. So therefore, I experience these downswings more often.

At the same time, these downswing last like 3-4 hours for me while a 1 tabler it could last a week+ for them...
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2011, 12:20 AM
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Two cash MTT entries tonight and more of the same---ZERO cards,hang in there,I am a rock,hey here's a hand,short,gotta go,woohoo I'm ahead.............and there's his/her river suck!!!

At this point all I can do is laugh at this BS,so..................


Not sure but I think I had a hand tonight where my hole cards were 6 of clubs and a new card I've never seen before,it read..............

"Go to Rail. Go directly to Rail. DO NOT pass the money bubble."
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2011, 11:16 AM
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Yes,this is a BAD play by you here. I'll tell you why.............

A. It's Level I. The earliest levels in any MTT or SNG as you were playing here,you should be playing big pots with dominant hands only (AA,KK pre-flop--big post flop hands like sets or big pairs and top kickers that also have nut straight or nut flush possiblities.....hands like that). The reason being is that the blinds are simply to small to be worth playing speculative/mediocre hands hard. With 2 limpers ahead of you here your play should have been to see the flop as cheaply as possible so a limp would have been apropos here. Once you were raised all-in this hand should have been in the muck immediately.

B. KQ may LOOK like a sexy hand but it's behind alot of other hands,and straight up crushed by many. A5s may look like a typical,harmless A-rag hand but in reality it's ahead of your KQo hand 60-40% pre-flop. Even if you change the suitedness of the situation and make it A5o vs. KQs the odds are still 55-45 against you. All that and only 30$ in chips are laying out there when this hand started. KQo is not a hand you should EVER be hanging your tournament life on unless you're in dire straights. Level I and everyone has the same amount of chips is far,far away from dire straights.

A: I see that mistake of calling all in, but was it really the best part on his half to make that move either. Aside from the fact he won the hand. The flop turn and river laid out a full house, why in all possibilities could it not have come out with a full house that we split the pot, three 5's on the flop, to give him quads????? I find it hard to grasp proper betting strategies cause there's too many people on here all over the map. I've seen way too many that I've beaten with low pairs, trips, straights, flush, and full house, and come the show down, the only reason I see they were betting was because they had one ace in their cards. I really don't believe the ace is as mighty as it is. I've tried play ace and low card suited for a flush and it's never worked for me.

Lets look at my other scenario, above where I went all in 3000 chips with a pair of nines pre-flop. I got called by someone with 10,000 chips and they had a 6, 7 ????? again Was I wrong, the cards up on the table made it wrong by giving them two pair.
90% of my playing experience is online here, I have yet to go play on a table in a casino. I got the feeling, and from a couple friends of mine that have done it, say that the cards don't come in such favourable ways as much as they do on poker stars. It's very frustrating waiting and blinding down all the time, and then when you get cards worth to play with, your beaten out by one pair higher, or that one card the makes a straight run one more, or simply don't make anything, or when you have it and the river turns the other way to the opponent.
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2011, 01:48 PM
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A: I see that mistake of calling all in, but was it really the best part on his half to make that move either. Aside from the fact he won the hand. The flop turn and river laid out a full house, why in all possibilities could it not have come out with a full house that we split the pot, three 5's on the flop, to give him quads????? I find it hard to grasp proper betting strategies cause there's too many people on here all over the map. I've seen way too many that I've beaten with low pairs, trips, straights, flush, and full house, and come the show down, the only reason I see they were betting was because they had one ace in their cards. I really don't believe the ace is as mighty as it is. I've tried play ace and low card suited for a flush and it's never worked for me.
You're focusing too much of your energy on what other players are doing, which you have no control of. You need to concern yourself with things that you can control, mainly your decision making. Consistenly making the right decisions will lead to results.

You're also focusing too much energy on the results of individual hands. Again, your main focus should be on makng the right decisions. You are never going to win 100% of your hands, but if you're making correct decisions, the results will be there over a large sample size.
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2011, 05:22 PM
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A: I see that mistake of calling all in, but was it really the best part on his half to make that move either. Aside from the fact he won the hand. The flop turn and river laid out a full house, why in all possibilities could it not have come out with a full house that we split the pot, three 5's on the flop, to give him quads????? I find it hard to grasp proper betting strategies cause there's too many people on here all over the map. I've seen way too many that I've beaten with low pairs, trips, straights, flush, and full house, and come the show down, the only reason I see they were betting was because they had one ace in their cards. I really don't believe the ace is as mighty as it is. I've tried play ace and low card suited for a flush and it's never worked for me.

Lets look at my other scenario, above where I went all in 3000 chips with a pair of nines pre-flop. I got called by someone with 10,000 chips and they had a 6, 7 ????? again Was I wrong, the cards up on the table made it wrong by giving them two pair.
90% of my playing experience is online here, I have yet to go play on a table in a casino. I got the feeling, and from a couple friends of mine that have done it, say that the cards don't come in such favourable ways as much as they do on poker stars. It's very frustrating waiting and blinding down all the time, and then when you get cards worth to play with, your beaten out by one pair higher, or that one card the makes a straight run one more, or simply don't make anything, or when you have it and the river turns the other way to the opponent.

Okay the KQo vs. A5s hand---again you were only out 30 chips here if you do the proper play in this situation and limp. Look it's a .25 45 man SNG,the majority of players in these are BAD players,you don't have to force the action to beat these cats. Raising and then calling a re-raise all-in is FORCING the action. And eff what he does..............so he's an Ace-rag shoving donk,does that mean you have to follow along? Two wrongs..............

The second hand absolutely you shove the 99 there,you're M2 at this point,ANY pair or Acex hand or suited connector or decent K or Q should pretty much be in the middle here. Only mistake you made here is before this hand ever came along in allowing yourself to get this low to begin with. Good rule of thumb to follow---It's better to get it in with a decent hand in position when you still have 8-10 BB's left,than to wait for a good hand when you are down to 2-5 BB's. Fold equity is something that you shouldn't easily surrender. Make the other guy question the strength,or lack of,of his hand,put pressure on him. Was his call here loose? Maybe. But only having to put around 20% of his stack in made it easier for him than if you had shipped a weaker hand earlier when he may have to risk 50% of his stack. In that situation he would likely be inclined to lay down hands quite a bit better than 76o.
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2011, 05:59 PM
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Okay the KQo vs. A5s hand---again you were only out 30 chips here if you do the proper play in this situation and limp. Look it's a .25 45 man SNG,the majority of players in these are BAD players,you don't have to force the action to beat these cats. Raising and then calling a re-raise all-in is FORCING the action. And eff what he does..............so he's an Ace-rag shoving donk,does that mean you have to follow along? Two wrongs..............

The second hand absolutely you shove the 99 there,you're M2 at this point,ANY pair or Acex hand or suited connector or decent K or Q should pretty much be in the middle here. Only mistake you made here is before this hand ever came along in allowing yourself to get this low to begin with. Good rule of thumb to follow---It's better to get it in with a decent hand in position when you still have 8-10 BB's left,than to wait for a good hand when you are down to 2-5 BB's. Fold equity is something that you shouldn't easily surrender. Make the other guy question the strength,or lack of,of his hand,put pressure on him. Was his call here loose? Maybe. But only having to put around 20% of his stack in made it easier for him than if you had shipped a weaker hand earlier when he may have to risk 50% of his stack. In that situation he would likely be inclined to lay down hands quite a bit better than 76o.
I'm hearing to do one thing then the next. I understand the first, and even at the moment I had thought it was wrong, but I had been playing half a dozen games and found my self folding decent hands as KQ, AK, JJ, 10's, QJ, you know etc. etc. etc. That is why I got so low in the second scenario with 9's. So basically when the other guy bets stupidly don't follow because I won't lose my money, but I can't play anything cause there's too many bozos out there who play like that?//?

All in all my frustration is watching how the cards turn out on the flop turn and river way too often I'm burned. More than it works in my favour.
 
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Since: Aug 2010
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OK string you're hearing to do two different things because these are two very different situations. You elected to put 75 BB's in the middle first hand of an SNG with KQo. Your'e behind ANY pair from 22-JJ,nuked against QQ,KK and AA. Nuked by AK or AQ. Behind ANY Ace,no better off against ANY suited connector than you are behind his A5 suited here........(for example the hand in question--you KhQs vs. A5s is 60-40% against you,say you were up against a seemingly at first blush crushed hand like 32d....you 61% him 38% 1% tie. Now you would think that KQo would be much further ahead of 32s than KQo would be behind A5s but that's simply not the case.) So in the situation that you were in KQo was simply far too marginal a hand to be getting in with in THAT situation.

To me you seem to be focusing far too much on the cards and not taking the situational aspects that are a HUGE part of poker into account. Because of the situation in the second example,yes jamming with 99 was completely the correct play here. Hell take the KQo from the first example and substitute it for the 99 in this example. Would I rather get it in with 99 here? Yes,but I'm shipping KQs in THAT situation in a heartbeat. Switch it the other way. Put the 99 in the first example. It would be a better play than the KQo was,but still not a good one. And I would be doint the same thing with it that I suggested you do here,limp after the 2 previous limps and try to set-mine a cheao flop. After the jam by the villian I muck the 99 here. I'm not one to advocate limping as a rule,and certainly never to open a pot,but in some situations it's the most correct play.

Now as to the letting yourself get that low in the first place in the second hand,yes I understand,sometimes it's unavoidable-----The only time that you're seeing decent hands is when you're out of position,the table just doesn't respect 3 and 4x bets for anything (a common scenario in those .10 360 Turbo's that you were playing in the second example) etc.,etc. I get that. But when you do have a decent hand AND position,that's when you have to open up and try to steal some.

Look at the meat and potatoes of the two examples. In example one had you limped and then the jam comes,what have you lost? 20 chips,big whoop. Even with the actual example,you get re-raised all-in,you were only out 100 chips. You need to learn to be able to lay a hand like KQo down there. In the second example there is almost half as many chips in the middle as "dead money" as what you have in your stack. At this point in THAT tournament you NEED those chips. And 99 is a perfectly respectable hand to try and get them with. As would KQo be in THAT situation.

It's not just your holdings that need to influence your decisions. Hell many times in this game it's not even MAINLY your holdings that should decide a course of action.

Hope this helped.
 

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