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CAP Cash tables - Wed Mar 30, 2011, 05:27 AM
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I was wondering if we have any regulars who play on hodem cap tables, be it on stars or full tilt. I've been playing these games on full tilt a fair bit lately and have enjoyed the style so far. I havn't dipped into stars cap games yet (wanted to get a feel for them at cheaper buyins on tilt first) and was wondering what kind of skill level I should expect to run into at the stars .25/.50 cap tables.

The only real article I've ever read on cap strategy was:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/cap-games-part-1

If we have any regs that have any thoughts on the game , would love to hear it.

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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 07:46 AM
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Hey, De Sans,,,,I peronally play the .10/.25 and the .25/.50 cash limit tables to build my BR.
Staying real tight I brought my BR from $4.00 up to $44.60....I'll stay at this level until I get to $100 and then move up to the .50/1.00 tables. The varience is so low. ,I played the cap tables also, they are not too bad, but higher varience...But one good loss would wipe out days of grinding...I'm takin it slow but sure.
>Dem

p.s. The PSO League end of the month payout will give me a boost. And the various 50/50s I play help also.
A little of this,,,alittle of that

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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 09:27 AM
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never played them myself, but I think Sandtrap777 plays them with some success
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 09:43 AM
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I've played 2 sessions on these, the first went very well and the 2nd was a disaster (according to HEM I ran 12 caps under EV so you can imagine how fun that was lol). General impression is that they are very soft. Which makes sense to me as most regs despise short stacking and want to play deeper. I'm going to put in some time at these games (at least 10K hands probably) and then develop some live training to cover them.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 10:15 AM
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I've played 2 sessions on these, the first went very well and the 2nd was a disaster (according to HEM I ran 12 caps under EV so you can imagine how fun that was lol). General impression is that they are very soft. Which makes sense to me as most regs despise short stacking and want to play deeper. I'm going to put in some time at these games (at least 10K hands probably) and then develop some live training to cover them.

Awesome, I look forward to it. I'm used to focusing on deepstack style play but from what I've seen on tilt, these seem to be sooooo soft. I don't mind having to adjust my game a bit if it means going where the easy money is. I have a feeling I'm going to have to really adjust my shove ranges pf from what I am comfortable with. Fun times!

Would love to hear your thoughts on bankroll management regarding cap games as well. Trying to determine if the standard br theories apply or not. On one hand, the pots are capped which means less "BIG HITS". On the other, there is less flop play giving weaker players some of their edge back. People will be shoving with wider ranges too .... i'll probably stick with the standard br management plan for now /shrug

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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 10:17 AM
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I'm going to put in some time at these games (at least 10K hands probably) and then develop some live training to cover them.
Very good,,,,Al Spath has a few good videos on playing limit micro cash tables. I try to emulate that style and have had good sucess. You can find them in the library if you want to take a look
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microstakes Cap NL - Wed Mar 30, 2011, 01:03 PM
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Anyone know why stars is not offerring Cap NL at microstakes?
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 01:48 PM
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Anyone know why stars is not offerring Cap NL at microstakes?
They're fairly new to Stars, they might offer them eventually.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 01:49 PM
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Haven't really thought about br management on these sens, probably should just stick to what you're doing now in that regard.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 02:10 PM
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Really couldnt get used to the feel of cap games and felt like a fish.
I think I played 2 orbits when they started it and decided it wasnt for me.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 02:36 PM
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I think cap games have a tricky structure. I'm at one now and trying to work out some sort of strategy, but it's not coming to me. My 2.6x standard open just feels awkward, because post-flop, if I c-bet, it leaves me open to being min-c/raised. When that happens, I'm more or less priced into a draw to almost anything, and then the turn can get capped with the same effect. I think I might have to increase the size of my preflop opens, cut down the c-betting, and play a tighter value range in general at these tables.

Anyone else have strategic input here?
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 02:47 PM
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My table's limpy limpy, and not everyone is raising much beyond 3x, even if there's a limper in the pot. I'm finding that there are a few more spots where I can see flops with a drawing hand and great pot odds. I'm also finding that action is rarely proceeding past the flop. I suppose I just need to figure out how to best play against other people's ranges, and how to get the money in best.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 03:03 PM
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I think preflop raising is overrated in cap games. I'm not open limping, but my raising range is very tight, and I'm limping behind with a lot of draw-type hands I'd typically raise with at a deeper table. Initiative seems pretty useless to me if action is ending before any deep-thought play can begin. It's basically a math game. I don't think there's much else involved.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 03:16 PM
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[QUOTE=Da Sens Fan;267666]I havn't dipped into stars cap games yet (QUOTE]

I guess you'll have to go to FTP for cap games,,,,PS doesn't have any
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 03:20 PM
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I do believe that Stars does. Not at any limits below 25c/50c, though, I think.

I'll leave my notes here for people to comment on. I want to see if anyone else has notes to compare.

So far, I feel like my normal play is so much laggier, spewy and impatient than how I've been playing at my cap table. I'm winning at this table though. Up from $25 to $66 in under an hour (might have added on once or twice). I think I'll give them another shot after work.


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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 08:20 PM
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It seems like most people are in the same boat regarding these games. Uncertain and in the experimental phase. This really gets me motivated to dive in and crunch some large volume sessions.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 08:43 PM
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oh,,,my bad,,I did find them at the .25/.50 level,,,,
They are sure difficult to pick out. Maybe PS should put a color coded icon next the the cap games. FTP does. Makes it much easier on my tired old eyes.
>Dem

I played them on FTP,,,,not much different than limit,,,but you can do a little more damage to yourself as well as to others around you.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2011, 09:05 PM
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Yeah , you can set your filter to only show certain game types. Makes it a little easier
 

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