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can I get away from this - Tue Apr 05, 2011, 03:07 PM
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A little history..... Villain is a mass tabling reg, has been playing A rag type hands some specualtive hands also... table is very aggressive, min 3 bet to open some 4 and 5 bets with A rag etc... about 5 hand earlier I stacked off on villain after he shoved his A rag into my full house ... every hand I went to showdown with was the stone cold nuts, so I think my image was solid...

Is this the proper play? my cash experience is limited, not used to the all out aggression that was on show at this table lol




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MP ($5.96)
CO ($9.95)
Button ($4.54)
SB ($2.45)
BB ($5.98)
Hero (UTG) ($7.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with ,
Hero bets $0.10, 4 folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.22) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.22) (2 players)
BB bets $5.88 (All-In), Hero calls $5.88

Total pot: $11.98 | Rake: $0.59
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2011, 03:23 PM
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This is an easy hand to get away from. Nobody is ever going to risk their entire stack on a complete bluff over a very small pot. If the pot was much bigger it would be possible to see a big bluff on the river. Even if you think it is possible the guy is indeed shoving with A high it still isn't worth it. You lose 10c folding, lose your entire stack if he isn't bluffing, and double up if he is. Even with the villains image, a bluff shove on the river this hand is the least likely possibility. He called your min raise from the BB. 56, 67, 77, 66, 55, 22 are very real possibilities. A lot of weaker players will slowplay big hands to the river and fail to extract any value. Then they get frustrated and try to make up for the lost value by overbetting the river. I believe that is what happened here. The key to this hand is the pot size. If the pot was $2 on the river a bluff shove would be more possible.

The worst hand I would expect to see from the villain is same as your hand, 89. However, if he had 89 he would probably be too worried about a full house to all out shove the river. That logic would imply that he wasn't worried about you having a full house. If he isn't worried that you could have a full house, he either has one himself or is bluffing. And like already stated, bluffing is unlikely the way the hand played out.

Last edited by RockerguyAA; Tue Apr 05, 2011 at 03:26 PM..
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2011, 04:10 PM
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Yep, easy fold. Massive overbet shove (lol@5.88 into a .22c pot) is a pure value line, no mass multi-tabling reg is taking this line without a FH. They make this bet because 1) they hope it looks bluffy and 2) they want to make up for all the lost value from their silly slow play on the flop and turn.

Another way to look at it is he's polarized his range to monsters or air. You have to call 5.88 to win a pot of 6.10, so the call needs to be right 49% of the time to break even. Is he bluffing with this line more than half the time? A mass multi-tabling reg = no way.

I know it's tough to fold the top straight, but this is a fold.
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2011, 04:30 PM
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btw room I would usually c-bet this flop every time. We raised UTG, the flop misses villain frequently, he's a mmt reg so he's less likely to make plays at us, and we can get many hands better than 9 high to fold.
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2011, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLangolier View Post
btw room I would usually c-bet this flop every time. We raised UTG, the flop misses villain frequently, he's a mmt reg so he's less likely to make plays at us, and we can get many hands better than 9 high to fold.
Agreed, a C-Bet will give you some kind of information. No reason to call the shove. Whether you are winning or not. Wait for a better spot to catch someone. I would rather not be the police in my cash game play.

JT
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2011, 12:05 AM
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Woah, villain had a full house?
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2011, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TrustySam View Post
Woah, villain had a full house?
maybe
 

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