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Did I play this hand right or was I an idiot? - Tue Apr 05, 2011, 09:19 PM
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PokerStars Game #60397552285: Tournament #379718704, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2011/04/05 20:49:35 ET
Table '379718704 137' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: BULLETCHSR (1475 in chips)
Seat 2: scuz1shawn (5490 in chips)
Seat 3: Drew300 (2240 in chips)
Seat 4: dadjoe60 (920 in chips)
Seat 5: usfbulls1 (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: jace033 (3725 in chips)
Seat 7: 2pacsugar (1140 in chips)
Seat 8: scuba192 (540 in chips)
Seat 9: johnnytogood (1755 in chips)
jace033: posts small blind 75
2pacsugar: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to scuz1shawn [Qd Ad]
scuba192: folds
johnnytogood: folds
BULLETCHSR: folds
scuz1shawn: calls 150
Drew300: folds
dadjoe60: folds
usfbulls1: folds
jace033: raises 600 to 750
2pacsugar: folds
scuz1shawn: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [3d 6h 7h]
jace033: bets 2975 and is all-in
scuz1shawn: calls 2975
*** TURN *** [3d 6h 7h] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [3d 6h 7h Qc] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jace033: shows [Kd Qh] (a pair of Queens)
scuz1shawn: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Queens - Ace kicker)
scuz1shawn collected 7600 from pot
jace033 finished the tournament in 863rd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7600 | Rake 0
Board [3d 6h 7h Qc 4d]
Seat 1: BULLETCHSR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: scuz1shawn showed [Qd Ad] and won (7600) with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: Drew300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dadjoe60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: usfbulls1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jace033 (small blind) showed [Kd Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: 2pacsugar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: scuba192 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: johnnytogood folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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?? - Tue Apr 05, 2011, 10:05 PM
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pretty sure u know the answer-- u limped and flatted in LP--= gl -- monk/..
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2011, 10:29 PM
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Need to be very aware of the other players stacks.
You calling a player with 7 Big blinds behind is setting your self up for a bad time when he ships it on the flop or when some one squeezes/isolates the shortstack thinking you are not really repping anything.
Calling is not a line you want to take since it is really super weak.
Have to think about the range you are selling to the villian here.
That flop will not hit you most of the time so that is a nice pick up by the villian.

Post hands like this in the Hand Analysis forum if you really want good input in to your hands.
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2011, 10:35 PM
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Post hands like this in the Hand Analysis forum if you really want good input in to your hands.
** Moved **
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2011, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by scuz1shawn View Post
PokerStars Game #60397552285: Tournament #379718704, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2011/04/05 20:49:35 ET
Table '379718704 137' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: BULLETCHSR (1475 in chips)
Seat 2: scuz1shawn (5490 in chips)
Seat 3: Drew300 (2240 in chips)
Seat 4: dadjoe60 (920 in chips)
Seat 5: usfbulls1 (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: jace033 (3725 in chips)
Seat 7: 2pacsugar (1140 in chips)
Seat 8: scuba192 (540 in chips)
Seat 9: johnnytogood (1755 in chips)
jace033: posts small blind 75
2pacsugar: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to scuz1shawn [Qd Ad]
scuba192: folds
johnnytogood: folds
BULLETCHSR: folds
scuz1shawn: calls 150
Drew300: folds
dadjoe60: folds
usfbulls1: folds
jace033: raises 600 to 750
2pacsugar: folds
scuz1shawn: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [3d 6h 7h]
jace033: bets 2975 and is all-in
scuz1shawn: calls 2975
*** TURN *** [3d 6h 7h] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [3d 6h 7h Qc] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jace033: shows [Kd Qh] (a pair of Queens)
scuz1shawn: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Queens - Ace kicker)
scuz1shawn collected 7600 from pot
jace033 finished the tournament in 863rd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7600 | Rake 0
Board [3d 6h 7h Qc 4d]
Seat 1: BULLETCHSR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: scuz1shawn showed [Qd Ad] and won (7600) with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: Drew300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dadjoe60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: usfbulls1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jace033 (small blind) showed [Kd Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: 2pacsugar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: scuba192 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: johnnytogood folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Since you do not give any "read" info, nor any of your "thoughts" about the play of this hand, it is really difficult to "analyze" your play in isolation...

I think you really want to consider a couple things before playing your hand this way....

1) How aggressive are the players left to act behind you?

AQs is not a BAD hand, but it is also one that can put you in a tricky spot of someone re-raises your MP limp.

Your 36BB stack DOES allow you a bit of "room" to take the flop versus a "standard" RR though, and the OCCASIONAL limp with suited "big cards" versus aggressive opponents can be a good way to "mix up" your game; I'd not suggest over-doing this type of play though...

2) What are the LIMP range(s) of the players to act behind you?

Limping AQs gives up a lot of the C-Bet benefits of raising to open, such as "representing" a pair hit when you clean miss. You also allow a much WIDER range of hands to enter against you; that fact opens up the possible "hits" by opponents, and greatly increases the "threats" any given flop may present you.

The only "positive" I can get from your limp in MP is: you are SUITED, thus your hand will tend to bit slightly better in multi-way situations than it would otherwise. Do NOT mis-interpret my words as meaning you "should" limp big Aces from MP when suited though; those hands still derive most of their "value" from the PAIRS they will make.

Whenever you limp, you tend to "encourage" a multi-way pot. The more people who are in a given pot, the larger the winning hand will tend to be, or the higher the AGGRESSION level will tend to be needed to win. If you flop top/top, wouldn't you MUCH rather be in a heads up or 3-way pot? By limping, if it does go multi-way to the flop, you are then falling back a LOT on the "draw power" of your hand, or you are firing very HARD on what stands to be "just" a 1 pair hand...See?

3) What are the stack sizes left to act after you?

You need "recognize" the fact there are short stacks (sub-10 BB) either in the blinds, or acting after you here before you limp your AQs. Sure, if any of the sub-10BB stacks shove on you pre-flop you have plenty enough "strength" to call, but what if they just CALL? What if they then shove the flop?

2/3rds the time you will hold NOTHING on the flop. So you REALLY want the BB, 2pacsugar, to get a "free flop"? If he shoves on the flop, and you've missed, do you REALLY want to "sheriff" for 20% of your stack holding jsut an over card draw?

OK...

I have put a lot out there on way your "limp" here, maybe TOO much

The fact is though, the limp set you up to pontetially put far more chips into a "cheap" pot than was really warranted. You could have done that either on a 1 pair hand that may not be any good, or by calling a flop bet on a "miss" simply because you might spike the turn. You had plenty of "value" to your hand, so unless you can de-lineate SOLID reasons for limping, I'd suggest you don't...

On to the hand as it played:

Pre-flop you get RR'ed behind, from the SB; what was your "range read" on his re-raise?

You really need to consider when you've limped that you've started on a "cheap" betting line. This means you should either RAISE the re-raiser (to spring your "trap"), or flat call with the intention of FOLDING your flop "misses". Here is an analogous hand that I played in a 25c 90 man SNG that illustrates the bad things that may happen agaisnt shorter stacks when you limp AQs: http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/rep...ash=92548712C8

In YOUR hand, your call of his flop shove is pretty "spew-y" to be honest. Even if you have a "read" on this opponent, you are pretty thinly versus ANY pp here, and doing so for better than 60% of your chips. The fact you were "ahead" the whole time does not "justify" your call of his flop shove. That was a pretty "leak-y" call; lucky for you it worked out...

But poker is about the quality of your DECISONS, and not the results.

Please do not let your winning here blind you to that fact.

Hope it helps...

Last edited by JDean; Wed Apr 06, 2011 at 12:24 AM..
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2011, 12:26 AM
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Raise first in from MP, as played fold to this size raise from the sb or 3b ship depending on your read and how often they are raising light over limpers. Calling is bad in each instance here.
 

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