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Too wide push range? - Fri Apr 08, 2011, 11:26 AM
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PokerStars Game #60515283413: Tournament #381162277, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2011/04/08 16:41:54 CET [2011/04/08 10:41:54 ET]
Table '381162277 28' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: firma10s04 (12343 in chips)
Seat 2: valentinova1 (11615 in chips)
Seat 3: Kolja213 (21345 in chips)
Seat 4: 1.01 gubbed (8660 in chips)
Seat 5: TooCruel (6633 in chips)
Seat 6: L'écureuil (15290 in chips)
Seat 7: totty_cska (17730 in chips)
Seat 8: NegPL (14385 in chips)
Seat 9: foxigold (10304 in chips)
firma10s04: posts the ante 50
valentinova1: posts the ante 50
Kolja213: posts the ante 50
1.01 gubbed: posts the ante 50
TooCruel: posts the ante 50
L'écureuil: posts the ante 50
totty_cska: posts the ante 50
NegPL: posts the ante 50
foxigold: posts the ante 50
L'écureuil: posts small blind 200
totty_cska: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TooCruel [3h 9s]
NegPL: folds
foxigold: folds
firma10s04: folds
valentinova1: folds
Kolja213: folds
1.01 gubbed: folds
TooCruel: raises 6183 to 6583 and is all-in
L'écureuil: folds
totty_cska: calls 6183
*** FLOP *** [2d Kd Jc]
*** TURN *** [2d Kd Jc] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [2d Kd Jc 8d] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
totty_cska: shows [Ad Js] (a pair of Jacks)
TooCruel: shows [3h 9s] (high card King)
totty_cska collected 13816 from pot
TooCruel finished the tournament in 247th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13816 | Rake 0
Board [2d Kd Jc 8d 4s]
Seat 1: firma10s04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: valentinova1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Kolja213 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 1.01 gubbed folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TooCruel (button) showed [3h 9s] and lost with high card King
Seat 6: L'écureuil (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: totty_cska (big blind) showed [Ad Js] and won (13816) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: NegPL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: foxigold folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Nothing to fancy for my first post

Im have 10 BB, it is folded to me on the button. I have 39o but fold equity on the players in the blinds. I push get called by AJ.

Too wide push range?
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 12:42 PM
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Terrible hand. It's barely better then 72o. The ante is 50, people expect steals from the button, I'd be more inclined to bet my stack that the next 2 cards I got were better then 93. Only time I'm ever playing 93o is when I have 2bb left and the bb hits me.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 01:04 PM
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You have 15 BBs...that's a lot more than 10. You can wait for a better spot.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 02:16 PM
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You are pushing into two big stacks in the blinds from the button and over shoving in a spot where any one with a hand would 3x,so it smells funny and you got looked up.
You can get down to 10 BBs before you have to push this wide.

Make a point of being aware of the stack sizes in play or yet to act before you shove atc.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 03:13 PM
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You are pushing into two big stacks in the blinds from the button and over shoving in a spot where any one with a hand would 3x,so it smells funny and you got looked up.
You can get down to 10 BBs before you have to push this wide.

Make a point of being aware of the stack sizes in play or yet to act before you shove atc.
Sorry I meant 10M
Of course my hand is horrible. At that spot my first though when it came to stacks in the blinds and their stacks is that it is hard for them to call. Respectively half to 1/3 of the stack sizes.
Your comment makes sense however. I could have almost any two so I might get called lighter. Is that the right reason to fold?
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 03:45 PM
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In actual money tourneys big stacks are looking for smaller stacks to call allin to add to there stack.
Players either get to active like you did or they nit up trying to min-cash.
If you want to win a tourney you need to find those other big stacks that play the same as you and take that chance before the bubble to become chipleader.
Of course this is when you are above average stack,so your play is not as strong as you think it might be,since a big stack is not getting knocked out when they call you.

39 is a insta fold and I think you give it value because it is suited.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 03:54 PM
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No don't give it value for suited. I have passed that station a long time ago:P Just because I thought they might actually fold sometimes. In that case my hand value was kind of irrelevant.
You made clear why that assumption (false claim of fold equity) was wrong.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 04:18 PM
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Imho its too bad of a hand to risk them calling, look for a better shot later, that is just too weak of a hand
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 04:21 PM
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You are pushing into two big stacks in the blinds from the button and over shoving in a spot where any one with a hand would 3x,so it smells funny and you got looked up.
You can get down to 10 BBs before you have to push this wide.

Make a point of being aware of the stack sizes in play or yet to act before you shove atc.
I agree 100% on this one Cookie well said
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011, 05:47 PM
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Against someone who will call you 100% of the time (i.e. call with any two) you have 40% equity. Cranks this through an EV calc and you win on average T$420. If you are never called (100% fold equity) you win T$1050.

So it the risk worth the small reward (from 6% to 16% increase in your stack)? Most players would say no.
 

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