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how do you play against this? - Mon Apr 11, 2011, 01:23 PM
bashy27's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 57
PokerStars Game #60671712727: Tournament #379718610, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/04/11 13:18:38 ET
Table '379718610 111' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ESSY ARMEN (900 in chips)
Seat 2: jessifriend (4670 in chips)
Seat 3: Colch Co (1150 in chips)
Seat 4: bashy27 (2190 in chips)
Seat 5: 1stprize845 (4320 in chips)
Seat 6: maximus65 (1395 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: hobbsterry (1425 in chips)
Seat 8: jethro1965 (1270 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: BLackouT242 (2180 in chips) is sitting out
maximus65: posts small blind 15
hobbsterry: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bashy27 [Ah Js]
jethro1965: folds
BLackouT242: folds
jessifriend: folds
Colch Co: raises 30 to 60
bashy27: raises 180 to 240
1stprize845: calls 240
maximus65: folds
hobbsterry: folds
Colch Co: raises 910 to 1150 and is all-in
bashy27: calls 910
1stprize845: calls 910
*** FLOP *** [Td Tc 9h]
bashy27: checks
1stprize845: bets 1050
bashy27: calls 1040 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (10) returned to 1stprize845
*** TURN *** [Td Tc 9h] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Td Tc 9h Qs] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bashy27: shows [Ah Js] (a pair of Tens)
1stprize845: shows [4c 9s] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
1stprize845 collected 2080 from side pot
Colch Co: shows [8h Ad] (a pair of Tens)
1stprize845 collected 3495 from main pot
bashy27 finished the tournament in 1046th place
Colch Co finished the tournament in 1047th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5575 Main pot 3495. Side pot 2080. | Rake 0
Board [Td Tc 9h Qs 4h]
Seat 1: ESSY ARMEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jessifriend folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Colch Co showed [8h Ad] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 4: bashy27 showed [Ah Js] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: 1stprize845 (button) showed [4c 9s] and won (5575) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 6: maximus65 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: hobbsterry (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jethro1965 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BLackouT242 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Mon Apr 11, 2011, 02:19 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,809
This early in a tournament, when your raise gets pushed preflop, you must fold it.
There are way too many hands you're behind.... any pocket pair, AK, AQ, etc.

If you are way too loose calling the push preflop, when you miss the flop, it's another situation where you know you're behind and need to fold.
Mon Apr 11, 2011, 02:36 PM
bashy27's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 57
at no point did i feel as though i was behind in this hand, even when the push came it was what i had expected from that player, he was short stacked and had been raising pushing everything with a raise and had been caught many times, his ace 8 was stronger than what i placed him on, as i had him down for q4, k3 some raggy hand that he had been caught with before, the guy with the 9 4 os had a tendancy to play 67, 78 or weak aces so again i put myself way ahead of both these players which is why i made the call (i would of re-shoved preflop had i had the option) either way i guess what i want to know is why was the guy with the 94os there after a raise, re raise, shove and call?, and how do you play against players like that?

i see what you are saying about the ace jack being behind many hands and i would agree and if i had any doubt that i was not ahead i would of let it go. my reads of both these players was correct that i was way ahead of both of them (preflop) post flop i was pretty much pot committed and having the 94 guy on an up and down at very best, i still believe i was right to make the call for my remaining 7 BB's.

those are just my thoughts and observations and why i made the play i did.
Mon Apr 11, 2011, 03:11 PM
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Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,809
they guy with 94o had no idea how to play poker and just basically wanted to play bingo.

Whenever you're against a bingo player, it's best to fold pots to them, wait for a made hand (pkt pair or top pair after the flop) and then push them and get a double-up out of it.

You may know you're ahead preflop, but you want to have a made hand before you push your chips in (you only have ace high). Your AJ vs just their 4 9 off is going to lose 32% of the time and that's too much of a risk early in a tourney to take.

3 handed, even with their cards, which are worse than you preflop, you are a favorite to LOSE the hand (you'll only win 48.8% of the time).

If they had better hands than they did, then your win %'s are even lower. You'll be able to find better situations later, that you can let them double or triple you up.... with a made hand.
Mon Apr 11, 2011, 03:17 PM
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Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,809
multiple people in a pot seriously decreases your odds, even if you're ahead preflop.
I didn't think it lowered them very much, until I started playing and learning on from PSO.
I wish I figured that out sooner, because my bankroll would have been alot better off.

I downloaded pokerstove (recommended by Dave, the langolier).... it's a free download and has helped me a ton.

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