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royal flush? played right? - Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:02 AM
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PokerStars Home Game #60846997858: {skill wot? we got bucket loads} Tournament #385599749, $1.00+$0.25+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (125/250) - 2011/04/14 21:15:33 PT [2011/04/15 0:15:33 ET]
Table '385599749 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Royalflush79 (14945 in chips)
Seat 2: LittleRex247 (2645 in chips)
Seat 3: bradmilless (4455 in chips)
Seat 6: bigbluesky18 (3955 in chips)
Royalflush79: posts the ante 30
LittleRex247: posts the ante 30
bradmilless: posts the ante 30
bigbluesky18: posts the ante 30
Royalflush79: posts small blind 125
LittleRex247: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Royalflush79 [Jh 4c]
bradmilless: folds
bigbluesky18: calls 250
Royalflush79: calls 125
LittleRex247: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh Kh Th]
Royalflush79: checks
LittleRex247: checks
bigbluesky18: bets 500
Royalflush79: calls 500
LittleRex247: folds
*** TURN *** [Qh Kh Th] [Ah]
Royalflush79: checks
bigbluesky18: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qh Kh Th Ah] [7h]
Royalflush79: bets 250
bigbluesky18: calls 250
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Royalflush79: shows [Jh 4c] (a Royal Flush)
bigbluesky18: mucks hand
Royalflush79 collected 2370 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2370 | Rake 0
Board [Qh Kh Th Ah 7h]
Seat 1: Royalflush79 (small blind) showed [Jh 4c] and won (2370) with a Royal Flush
Seat 2: LittleRex247 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: bradmilless folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bigbluesky18 (button) mucked [4h 6h]
 
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royal flush - Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:06 AM
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:08 AM
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I would have never gotten there. I muck that J4off. Not sure limping in here is the best overall option. What do you do if LittleRex raises pre-flop?

JT
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:19 AM
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Yes, you have a big stack...

Yes, it folds to you blind on blind...

WHY limp in oop with a total trash hand like J4o?

The best you can "expect" with this hand is a very marginal 1 pair hit, either on the J with a weak kicker, or on the 4 that is unlikely to be top pair. Limping here does not "test" the button open limper in the least, and only serves to (potentially) "stick" you to a pot with a pretty troublesome situation.

With your stack, and the stacks of the limper and BB, I think if you feel you "must" come along here, do so for a RAISE.

Doing that means you are "paying up front" all the money you might otherwise pay on a marginal hit, but you are doing so in a manner that allows you to (potentially) C-Bet a flop and fold out clean "misses" by opponents if they call. You also open the possibiliy that no one calls, and you win a small pot without contest.

Once you do limp tough, and spike a VERY strong 2 way draw, you really need to think of getting value in here on a semi-bluff...NOT checking that draw. Whether you do that by leading, or check/raising is really dependant upon what you think the best way to get value in is against these opponents. You also need the information you might get with a bet of some kind to clue you in as to whether your straight outs, as well as your 2nd nut flush outs, are good.

When you hit the royal on the turn, you are on the mortal nuts. I'll be honest, I seriously doubt you are getting ANY value from any non-heart hand here: this is why getting your value in EARLIER is so important. Why not lead out here? You are either getting a call, or not, so again, getting that value in is good. Of course if the opponent will lead any heart, then you CAN "delay" your bet for the river...but if he checks behind your nut check, you probably are not getting anything from him by then.

So...

Yeah, you made a royal.

Yeah, you got paid.

But you took a HUGE risk by playing, and then played far too softly to extract max value from a very favorable situation.

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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:32 AM
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Button actually limps in here JD but your point is the same. As far as I am concerned anyway.

JT
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:43 AM
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thanks JT, I realize the LP player limped. The OP limpd along, from the SB.
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:44 AM
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Button actually limps in here JD but your point is the same. As far as I am concerned anyway.

JT
This was a 1.35 buy in home game bounty tournament with .25 bountis had alot of chips I though I'd give it a shot.....
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:45 AM
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thanks JT, I realize the LP player limped. The OP limpd along, from the SB.
Over time we realize that we are just leaking chips with this play however. If you can't figure this out quickly into your poker career. You will be a losing player, without question!

JT
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:47 AM
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This was a 1.35 buy in home game bounty tournament with .25 bountis had alot of chips I though I'd give it a shot.....
Worked out for ya. Congrats...........just understand that this play isn't profitable in the long run.

JT
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:49 AM
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 10:57 AM
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Fold pre. Bet for value on the turn, Bet more on the river.
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2011, 11:10 AM
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Fold pre. Bet for value on the turn, Bet more on the river.

ya I agree. cool hand though!
 

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