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An idea that might enable American players to play - Sat Apr 16, 2011, 08:08 PM
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Just acouple of thoughts. How about getting rid of the money aspect of the PSO tourneys, just play for points.

And any US players that finish in the money at the end of the month awarded tickets to events rather than cash. Im not sure how that would work but if PSO held a live tournament say annually with a range of buy-ins it could be successful I think. Also I don't know if it's possible but maybe Pokerstars could set up something with local casinos that enabled players to use tickets won locally.

Or maybe prizes could include a range of non-cash things like merchandise, things you could buy with FPPs for instance or 1 to 1 training sessions with a Pokerstars pro?

A choice could be offered to everyone with those who prefer cash and are able to do so taking it? I don't know how other feel but the money on offer isn't why I play here, I want to win the league for the glory lol

Just a few ideas really, the league is a shadow of itself at the moment which is a great shame.

 
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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 08:52 PM
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Vareck,

Unfortunately, I doubt seriously PSO will survive this. Despite what others have said, PSO and PS are one in the same, just seperate websites. A seperate division of the same corporation.

Many people will probably loose huge sums of money. The innocent people and supporting industries will be the real loosers here.

The bigger problem is how this will affect online poker world wide. It was like dropping a big boulder into a small pond. Eventually the waves will hit all shorelines. The residule damage will be around for along time. Like the damage after a bad sunami. It will take years for the wounds to heal and the scars will always be there.

Other sites and more honest savy business owners will pickup the slack. The online poker Genie is out of the bottle and it won't go back. Billions of dollars are at stake here and little people like you and I don't matter to the powers that be. We are just pawns.

I learned a lot here and made a lot of friends. Good luck to you and all who have made PSO a great place to be.

TIME TO MOVE ON....

THE GENERAL...OVER AND OUT
 
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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 09:19 PM
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I have an idea that allows americans to play go to Bodog like I did.
 
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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 09:25 PM
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Unfortunately, I doubt seriously PSO will survive this. Despite what others have said, PSO and PS are one in the same, just seperate websites. A seperate division of the same corporation.
Stating conjectures such as this as factual does a dis-service to the entire community. Without proof your words are hollow and meaningless.
 
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Get On With Life< It's All Over,Said And Done!!!!!!!!!! - Sat Apr 16, 2011, 09:37 PM
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Well it seems that everybody has an opinion on this forum about the continuing situation at hand and this is mine. Everybody on this site is always trying to best someone else with information upon information and trying to be smart. Wake up people. This is the same government that continues to tax you year after year illegally and you and i pay, year after year. Taxes were first started to fund wars and wars only, not policing a country. War time only!!! But after years of taxing the people, guess what? They got bigger and bigger and bigger and hey, they formed the IRS to regulate it all and now they do what the hell they want. Its called Taxation without representation. The forum is just going to be a new chat room where everybody can talk about old news and bitch and whine about stuff they have no control over. Frankly i find it quite entertaining but my whole world isn't going to change because pokerstars real money tables were shut down, I have bigger problems in my life without anymore. I was a newby here as of march 22 2011 and i hate to say it but, i'm not going to miss it because something new will come along, there is always something new. If your from the USA like me, just count your losses and get up from your computer and look outside, "Did you realize that there is a world outside still" not filled with cyber whiners, there are real people outside that door, trust me. I guarantee it. The internet forums and chat rooms have made alot of brave bullys and whiners and alot of people that i would never want to meet, just because they spend so much time on the computer, that they have forgotten how to talk to there fellow man with respect and honor. So, in conclusion, from all the post i've been reading, it seems alot of people knew this was illegal and put money on here anyways hoping that it wouldn't be a disaster like the other poker games, but history repeats itself my friends and if you played and lost, then its on you. So in reality, you only have yourself to blame. Not pokerstars, not the FBI, nope, just yourself. Yes i sound like a cold hearted A-hole, but in reality, i'm a realist. "If something sounds to good to be true, it probably is". Its sad but life truley is as once quoted by Tom Hanks:"Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get" Well now you do know. Count your losses and find something else to do. Bye everybody, its been fun. Wish you all the best of luck, but I personally wouldn't hold my breath, because if this is resolved, you will probably be drawing your social security when it is, because the governments wheels turn very slow. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 09:42 PM
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Lmao at tj
 
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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 09:46 PM
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The general may have a point:

http://www.pokerstars.eu/poker/school/
 
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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 09:54 PM
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The general may have a point:

http://www.pokerstars.eu/poker/school/
No idea what's up with Intellipoker, but after I tried to log in there, I was redirected to PSO's home page.

Anyone here who can tell us about Intellipoker?
 
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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 09:55 PM
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The general may have a point:

http://www.pokerstars.eu/poker/school/

Thanks Topcat

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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 10:03 PM
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Intellipoker is the German version of PSO.

I was due to write about them and how they had annihilated the wonderful Australian series "The Pokerstar" created by Joe Hachem, which was very good indeed.

They call it "Der Ass" which is German for "The Ace" but I think a load of bullocks or just "The ASSES" because the inability of these contestants or even the moderators to even understand the basics of Poker is truly amazing.

As long as the authorities in IntelliPOKER keep telling their users to shove Ace rag then Germany will just have to stick to soccer; or football for the more refined folks.

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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 11:25 PM
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Guess no one thought my suggestions might be workable then eh?

Couple of things tho, it's unlikely to be then end of road for PS or PSO, just a little quieter for a while. And that long rant mc, sorry man I didn't read it, way too politically motivated, you have your own axe to grind there which has nothing to do with poker I suspect lol

But the point of the thread was to suggest ideas of ways that would make it feasible for the US players to play.

I don't think we should give up so easily. Can't see there's many who would play a month of poker for 3 bucks (£1.50 for me) and ther's 10k+ who get nothing so there's more to it than that which is what makes it worth while trying to come up with something to keep this great community site going.

 
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Sat Apr 16, 2011, 11:49 PM
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Ray,

I must say that you are a gentleman and an idealist, indeed I am an idealist myself.

In a perfect world, everyone would look at a good idea and say "Isn't that great? We could try that and it would be fantastic?"

Unfortunately, Ray, an awful lot of people are instilled with hatred of other people, whether they be a different colour, a different race, a different political persuasion, a different language, a different sexual choice, a disability, or just different.

They classify people on where they come from , the way they speak, their politics, their colour , their race, their skin, their language, their sexuality, their politics. They do this because of a deep rooted insecurity in themselves that has nothing to do with any of these things.

Therefore you find people criticising and finding fault with Pokerstars and PSO, calling them criminals and whatever, yet still have the gall to participate and play on the site.

How bloody sincere is the patriotism of these people or are they just looking after No1?

I applaud what you are trying to do Ray, I really do and you seem to be the most decent of people, but sometimes, you can shout until you are hoarse but you are just wasting your breath.

I am reminded of the great Michael Collins who signed the Anglo Irish Treaty with Churchill and the UK and said immediately afterwards "I have just signed my death warrant".

The man was a pragmatist and a realist, he knew what was achievable, he knew he had taken the most chips he could get: unfortunately there will be always those who expect and believe it should be more.

Unfortunately in scenarios such as we find ourselves in Ray the voices of commonsense are drowned out by the maniacs.

Good luck

TC
 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011, 12:41 AM
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I do appreciate your feelings regarding the PSO community and the commradery it has fostered. I too really hope it doesn't go away. But again, I just thinks it's wishful thinking.

This will tick of TJ again, But, IMO, the main purpose for PSO is to keep struggling players playing on Pokerstars for cash. Thus the prize pool being offered to players who generate 20 VVP's per month. It is a carrot. It's a good one and it really worked. But pokerstars does not care if you get better or not. They just care that you play for $ on their site. Of course they won't say that and I have been a staunch supporter of PSO as it has helped me and many many others improve their game. But we the players and active forum participants have made it what it has become.

Pokerstars will loose Millions and Millions as this thing drags out, and yes...IMO, this is going to drag out in US courts for years!! As the belt tightening ensues, the PSO monthly prize pool will dry up...IMO! When that happens, the incentive for other non U.S. players to stay and play and contribute to the forum, will be redeuced...IMO.

But hey, what do I know...

My words are hollow and meaningless.... Gee I thought when someone personally attacked another member the mods were suppose to give warnings for verbal attacks on the other member. Oh...I forgot about the mods and their double standards....

Good luck to you. I hope PSO is not a part of PS and I hope they offer us a way to continue growing....but they have much bigger things to worry about than us lowly freeroll play money parasites....IMHO
 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011, 02:06 AM
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This will tick of TJ again, But, IMO, the main purpose for PSO is to keep struggling players playing on Pokerstars for cash. Thus the prize pool being offered to players who generate 20 VVP's per month. It is a carrot. It's a good one and it really worked. But pokerstars does not care if you get better or not. They just care that you play for $ on their site. Of course they won't say that and I have been a staunch supporter of PSO as it has helped me and many many others improve their game. But we the players and active forum participants have made it what it has become.
I disagree. I believe they do care if you get better or not.

Now for the record I do agree that the goal behind the school is to generate more real money players. That's part of the business.

The part I don't agree with is specifically that they don't care whether or not you get better. The whole purpose of putting up a school, adding lesson content, facilitating live training, that is all geared towards the membership improving. MANY DON'T. That is because they don't avail themselves of the resources at their fingertips. That's their right and their loss. But for those who apply themselves and are striving to improve, they can do so here for no cost to them. And is all this learning opportunity free? Of course not, someone has to pay for it. Oh yeah, that's pokerstars footing the bill. Yet this isn't enough evidence for people that they do care.

I've heard this view stated before, that they don't care and to wit it is all a set up, an investment to lure the lambs to the slaughter... that they pay for it all on the back of the rake from those lambs. This strikes me as short sighted, and I'll tell you why, and why I believe they do care about the membership improving. Because it's good business. Fact is, winning players generate a massively larger amount of rake than losing players do.

The losing players put their money in action, often at the smallest of stakes, until they go broke. Then they're out of action until their next deposit or if you prefer, their next skill league prize. They don't generate much rake. Those deposits aren't infinite. The complaint is oh they're trying to do this and that to get you to deposit. Well sure they would like to increase the number of real money players. But their revenue doesn't come from the deposit, it comes from the rake. The more success a player has, the more that player will be in action, the more rake they generate.

Pokerstars doesn't make any kind of real money from people winning $5 in the skill league and playing .25c sng's with it. They don't make any kind of real money from someone depositing 20 bucks and trying to grind out 20 VPP's. Sure an army of those players and the small amounts of rake add up for Stars. But 1 winning reg generates more rake than 1000 of them, and Pokerstars knows it. Feeding money into the skill league helps provide incentive for players to strive to real money games to earn those VPP's, and it helps others still get started on a bankroll. But it is by far in the best interest of PokerStars, from a business standpoint, to try and provide you with the tools to take that modest bankroll and grow it, for you to learn how to have long term success at this game, because then you'll provide a long term stream of revenue in far greater quantity.


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My words are hollow and meaningless.... Gee I thought when someone personally attacked another member the mods were suppose to give warnings for verbal attacks on the other member. Oh...I forgot about the mods and their double standards....
Joe's comment was not a personal attack. He was being critical of what you were saying without proof, as he felt that stating what you did as fact, when it is actually conjecture, is a dis-service to the community. I didn't see that as a personal attack on you, fwiw.

Dave
 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011, 02:31 AM
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Joe's comment was not a personal attack. He was being critical of what you were saying without proof, as he felt that stating what you did as fact, when it is actually conjecture, is a dis-service to the community. I didn't see that as a personal attack on you, fwiw.

Dave[/QUOTE]

Then here is the proof:

http://www.pokerstars.eu/poker/school/

Anyone with a brain knows that PSO is soley owned and operated by pokerstars.

You know it and so does Joe.

And saying my words are hollow and meaningless was a personal attack on me. End of story.

Who pays the pso administrators their paychecks???

Also, The other way they make money is on the nightly rollover on the interest of all the money in pokerstars huge pool of dollars. It doesn't matter whose player account it is in...it's under their control until people cash out and they make a fortune on the dailly interest rollover. and now...you can't even get your money out..

I have lost the respect I once had for you Dave.....you're just a moderator in disquise

Joe owes me an apology...period....and so do you
 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011, 02:33 AM
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Stating conjectures such as this as factual does a dis-service to the entire community. Without proof your words are hollow and meaningless.
I couldn't agree more. Statements like these are of the same type that fuel conspiracy theories.
 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011, 03:01 AM
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I couldn't agree more. Statements like these are of the same type that fuel conspiracy theories.

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what more f'ing proof do you need than this...
 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011, 03:06 AM
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I have lost the respect I once had for you Dave
That's harsh, General. Dave made a lot of good points, and Joe was correct in saying that you're sort of running around shouting that the sky is falling. We all know that Stars and PSO are affiliated. Let's calm down and talk about poker.

 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011, 03:10 AM
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YES PSO IS PART OF PS

WHAT YOU SAID IS THEY ARE DONE NOW

AND MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT IS BULL

PS IS STILL MAKING BIG MONEY EVERY DAY

GO KINGS

 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011, 03:34 AM
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That's harsh, General. Dave made a lot of good points, and Joe was correct in saying that you're sort of running around shouting that the sky is falling. We all know that Stars and PSO are affiliated. Let's calm down and talk about poker.

Panicky, IRS has siezed/Frozen 75 bank accounts.......whose money do you think is in those accounts....your's and mine!

PS has always stated your money is safe and secure...while they were committing wire fraud and money laundering..allegedly...

if it's so secure...why can't i get mine out??? I've tried....luckily it's only $2.87....

but they won't send me an e-check for anything under $5...
and they won't send me a wire transfer for under $500
and they won't send me a check for less than $25.

so my $2.87 is lost, until they lift the ban....

THE SKY IS FALLING

while my $2.87 is paultry and certainly not going to bankrupt me... It's mine and I want it back and they are refusing to send it to me.

and what happens when that check they send you bounces becasue the account it is drawn on is closed/siezed/frozen.

These guys are facing 75 years in prison.....

In my humble opinion....everything they are doing now is damage control and stall tactics..

Why talk poker when you can't play???

Sorry panicky...I like you alot...

In my opinion...this is going to end with tens of thousand of people getting hosed for millions and millions of dollars....

My opinion and I am entitled to it
 

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