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Guys.. how should i play this..
I have lost 3 pocket As and survived one in two days.. i think most often you lose with this.. and most important qn.. can i all in with this hand.. i do it all the time.. and i lose .. damn
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011, 08:54 AM
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** Moved **
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011, 11:55 AM
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Guys.. how should i play this..
I have lost 3 pocket As and survived one in two days.. i think most often you lose with this.. and most important qn.. can i all in with this hand.. i do it all the time.. and i lose .. damn
Without specific hands and situations to comment on, the question(s) are really far too broad to comment on effectively.

AT BEST, I can say:

IN GENERAL, the stronger your hand is in relation to the nut hand at the time, the more you should want to play a "big pot".

AA is the nut hand PRE-FLOP only; thereafter you are facing AT LEAST a potential set as the nut (unless you hold top set).

The weaker your hand is in relation to the nut hand, the more you should want to exercise "pot control" (if you feel your hand is best).

When there are DRAW(s) which may call to beat you, your bets are most often "best" if sized to DENY ODDS to those draws, but INVITE CALLS from those draws. This means you are betting in line with the Sklansky "Fundemental Theorem of Poker" (see link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundame...eorem_of_poker )

Be highly aware of board texture.

Etc, Etc, Etc...

I sincerely hope this is not just a thinly veiled bad beat "whine".
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011, 01:38 PM
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+1, post the actual hand history so we can take a look at it and try to help.

I know a guy who lost with AA 17 times in a row. I'm not kidding. It happens.

Dave
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011, 03:15 PM
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I believe I have lost more money with AA than any other hand over the years. It is the easiest hand to overplay. At the end of the day you have to remember, it is only one pair. If it doesn't improve on the flop (and sometimes even when it does) it is not the nuts, so don't play it like it is. Play it like it is a good one pair, since that's exactly what it is...

Kind of a general statement of course, can't get into more detail without a hand history.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011, 06:28 PM
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I believe I have lost more money with AA than any other hand over the years.
This is why you need tracking software for playing real money online. You'll find AA is actually one of your biggest winners long term.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011, 07:54 PM
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You win with AA approximately 87% of the time unless your typical line is something like this:


Bet pre
Call flop
Call turn
Call river shove.

Or

Bet pre
Bet flop (get called)
Bet turn (get check/shoved and call)

You want to lead the action and bet when the board isn't obnoxiously bad for you. You can mitigate losses by check/calling when you face a horrible river card if the bet is not an overbet.

You call every shove preflop. Yes, you do. Yes you should.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011, 08:51 PM
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Nice post James and may I say that you have a very informative blog as well.

Keep up the good work,

TC
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011, 11:49 PM
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Thanks boss, kinda got away from the PSO a bit. But since the US meltdown, I just came back to see what's going on. I'll probably post another blog or two soon.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 02:20 AM
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+1, post the actual hand history so we can take a look at it and try to help.

I know a guy who lost with aa 17 times in a row. I'm not kidding. It happens.

Dave
and you actually expected us to believe that.....boy i am sure glad i dont sit in on your live classes you offer .....u r a complete lieing idiot.....DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ODDS OF THAT WOULD BE...COME ON NOW LETS BE REAL AA LOSES 17 TIMES In a row ..THE ODDS OF THAT WOULD BE IN THE MILLIONS....I KNOW U R JUST TRYING TO MAKE THAT NEW GUY FEEL BETTER ABOUT HIMSELF BUT DONT LIE TO DO IT.......

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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 10:56 AM
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Jeane&David - You make way too many assumptions...
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 02:07 PM
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and you actually expected us to believe that.....boy i am sure glad i dont sit in on your live classes you offer .....u r a complete lieing idiot.....DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ODDS OF THAT WOULD BE...COME ON NOW LETS BE REAL AA LOSES 17 TIMES In a row ..THE ODDS OF THAT WOULD BE IN THE MILLIONS....I KNOW U R JUST TRYING TO MAKE THAT NEW GUY FEEL BETTER ABOUT HIMSELF BUT DONT LIE TO DO IT.......
I'm not lying, nor am I an idiot. It's 100% true. Thanks for your kind and intelligent words.

PS- I'm not trying to make anyone feel better. That won't help them get better at poker.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 02:12 PM
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boy i am sure glad i dont sit in on your live classes you offer
I'm glad too. Not surprising someone who expresses themselves the way you do isn't interested in improving their poker game.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 06:04 PM
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Well I am sorry for the insults that was not the proper way to go about it.You are a successful poker player and I need to learn to repect peoples game even when I dont agree with what they are saying about the game as a whole.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 06:24 PM
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I'm glad too. Not surprising someone who expresses themselves the way you do isn't interested in improving their poker game.
I am very interested in improving my game..I just dont think some of your theories and style of play will work for me. So that is not a reason for you to assume that just because I choose not to try and improve my game through you that I am not useing other resources to do so .Just like Tom Dwans or Phil hellmuth style may not work for you...But that doesnt mean you are not wanting to improve your game...I still find it hard to believe that someone got AA cracked 17times in a row and with you being a instructor on here unless you was there to witness that I dont think you should be useing that as an example to prove a point..But never the less that does not give me the right to call you names..
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 06:41 PM
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Jeane&David - You make way too many assumptions...
You are prolly right..But like the old saying goes if it sounds to good to be true then more than likely it not true...We all have the problem of if we can see it feel it smell it then its not true...Like people may find it hard to believe when I was In aruba and learned how to play carbean stud poker...The 1st night I played I hit 4 A's and the dealer had 4 J's..And I had max bet on the table which was 200 in the front and 400 in the back and I won a total winings of 10,700..Because I got 25 to 1 on the 400 bet + 200 ante+500 from the progessive jackpot...the odds of 2 4of a kind in the same hand that people are dealt 5 cards and you cant exchange any cards..the odds of that has to be unreal...
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 09:29 PM
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Jeane&David, I have a few questions I'd like to ask if you don't mind.

1) What would be my motivation to lie about the aces getting cracked that many times in a row?

Obviously I was not there to see them all, it occured over multiple sessions. While it's possible the guy was lying to me about it, I have very good reason to believe it was the truth based on what happened after the 15th-17th times (which I did witness). I understand it's statistically improbable, but it's not impossible. Also he was a limit hold'em player, which makes it a little less statistically improbable, but still a long shot occurance.

2) What do you mean by my theories and my style I teach?

The theories I teach are not mine, they are well known to pros and successful players who play a variety of styles as their primary style. Which is the other part of this question, what style do you think I teach? I'm an advocate of adjusting your style to exploit what the opponents at a table are doing. There's been sessions for the training where I've played 4 tables and been almost nitty on one while being almost a LAG on another. So I'm curious where the impression comes from.

3) What you're doing, I guess in the terms as you put it your theories and style, how is that working for you? And if it's not succeeding, what kind of things are you doing to improve and change it?
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2011, 12:13 AM
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Jeane&David, I have a few questions I'd like to ask if you don't mind.

1) What would be my motivation to lie about the aces getting cracked that many times in a row?

Obviously I was not there to see them all, it occured over multiple sessions. While it's possible the guy was lying to me about it, I have very good reason to believe it was the truth based on what happened after the 15th-17th times (which I did witness). I understand it's statistically improbable, but it's not impossible. Also he was a limit hold'em player, which makes it a little less statistically improbable, but still a long shot occurance.

2) What do you mean by my theories and my style I teach?

The theories I teach are not mine, they are well known to pros and successful players who play a variety of styles as their primary style. Which is the other part of this question, what style do you think I teach? I'm an advocate of adjusting your style to exploit what the opponents at a table are doing. There's been sessions for the training where I've played 4 tables and been almost nitty on one while being almost a LAG on another. So I'm curious where the impression comes from.

3) What you're doing, I guess in the terms as you put it your theories and style, how is that working for you? And if it's not succeeding, what kind of things are you doing to improve and change it?
I dont think someone like yourself with the success and knowledge you have of poker would intentionally do anything to mislead a player that is trying to improve their game. I guess I took that as kind of streched a little like maybe 7-10 turned into 17 kind of deal.But like you said it is not impossible.

Some of your responses to different hands and different situations the you have responed to in the form I disagreed with..And I guess I never really gave you a chance after that.And theories probaby wasnt the word to use becuase I have viewed some of your lessons on the theories you talk about and they are theories from pros that has been proven to work.

I am a member of another site that is a payed site. And I decided to join that site in feb of this year.And the reason I did so was because I was not confident enough about my game to start playing real stakes and wanted to get a good base foundation before just jumping head first into real stakes.So I made my first deposit after a month being a member of that site.Did not follow proper bankroll management so lost it..Then got stake was doing ok then the blow up came and ended my online poker for now..But actually was a good thing for me.Becuase I went to Downstream casino by my house in OK and played in 5 sit n go tourneys cashed in 3 and won 1 out of the 3..The entry fee was only 25+5+3. and from what I hear this would be like playing the 5-8 dollar sit n go online. Now I was not in the ivey league of players that I would run into in Vegas or players like yourself TG. I was able to play TA build a good table image pull off some good semi bluffs heck I was able to drag pots by cbetting which I am timmed to do online for some reason. So it forced me to play some live tourneys which was suggested to me by a few people when I was going through stages of losing online. So with these cashes I have got my money back from joining that site and my first deposit back that I made on here. With money left over to play more tourneys at downstream..That site that I am a member of is like PSO but has more training videos and other resources as well..And they have a forum like this PSO but not as many people and I guess I feel I can get allot more in depth training through that site and it has helped me allot so far.Also the one thing I found out about myself is I am allot more disciplined in live play(so far) than online.
 

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