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Did You Vote for People who passed the Uigea - Wed Apr 20, 2011, 10:38 PM
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The List is here of the Aye's and Nay's
sadly everyone in my state said Aye but i only voted for current president ever in my life

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2006-363

the bill itself is illegal they used trickery and deceit to pass the uigea act masquerading under the shadows of another name adding something to that does not clearly belong the main leader of passing is part of the banking commission that passed it can you say? bribe from bank contributions

here's a little more info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAFE_Port_Act


and thanks pokerstars i am sorry for my country's politicians manically oppressive ways shouldn't not the people vote for what we can and can't do instead of sneak laws created against us


The uigea act in writing,
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-10...109publ347.htm

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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 12:31 AM
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Your position seems to be that the man you voted for and his Attorney General had no choice other than to enforce the law the people you didn't vote for enacted.

If that's the debth of your thought process, it is probably better that you don't play poker.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 12:35 AM
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THE SAD PART IS IF IT WAS PUT TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD PASS

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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 01:02 AM
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As I understand it, the bill got attached to another bill that everyone wanted to pass. It is a common legislative trick. You combine a bill nobody wants with one that must be enacted. Since there is no line item veto, either it all passes, or it all fails. Isn't government wonderful?
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 01:53 AM
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The List is here of the Aye's and Nay's
sadly everyone in my state said Aye but i only voted for current president ever in my life

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2006-363

the bill itself is illegal they used trickery and deceit to pass the uigea act masquerading under the shadows of another name adding something to that does not clearly belong the main leader of passing is part of the banking commission that passed it can you say? bribe from bank contributions

here's a little more info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAFE_Port_Act


and thanks pokerstars i am sorry for my country's politicians manically oppressive ways shouldn't not the people vote for what we can and can't do instead of sneak laws created against us


The uigea act in writing,
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-10...109publ347.htm
Whether the law and more importantly it's implementation would hold up in a court of law is debatable at best. But apparently,by their actions at least,the people at Stars and FT who were named in the indictment have little or no interest in going to court on this,just as I believe the prosecutors would rather not go there either. It's looking more and more like some sort of deal will be reached out of court as this isn't about sending anyone to jail IMO,it's about knocking the big 3 out of the box here in the States to pave the way for the casino's to take over on-line poker here.

As for the legality of how the law was passed,in the House of Representatives the rules are basically whatever the majority party says they are,so the 'legality' of how something passes is really a moot point. I'll give you an example that's actually been discussed on some of the cable news shows the last 2 days.......

We just had the 8 year anniversary of Medicare Part D passing,which has turned out to be basically 2 things---a gigantic subsidy for the pharmaceutical industry and a huge reason for the explosion of our National debt (as it was unfunded for several years by any offsets in spending elsewhere......). This was a bill the GOP leadership in the House and Senate was hot for,as was President Bush. But they knew there would be stiff opposition form the other side and pretty much had lost the message war on this one. So the GOP leadership in the House scheduled the final vote in their chamber for 3AM and left only 15 minutes to vote,by voice. After 15 minutes the bill was 20 votes short of passage so 15 minutes turned into almost 3 hours before enough Republicans who were initially against it were persuaded to change their vote (as long as a vote is still open on the floor you can do this). Fourteen of them ended up doing so (I wonder how many of THEM joined the chorus of calling Senator Kerry a "flip-flopper" the next year? hmmmm).

This may look childish,petty and unseemly---the way that this Bill passed in the House. Well welcome to Democracy and a representative government. It's done all the time and has been since the inception of our Nation. (Don't believe me that even our Founding Fathers were deal-makers and partisans just as bad as the folks today are?.......... Read up on how the 3/5's Clause--Article 1,Section 2,paragraph 3 of the Constitution--came into being and the political cowardice that allowed this to happen.)

As for the UIEGA's fate in the supposedly "more adult" chamber of our Legislative branch of the government,the Senate,well there Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) knew that he had a tough road to hoe with this bill so he attached it as a "rider" to the Port Security Act of 2006. So in essence the UIEGA was never truly ever even voted on in the Senate,at least not as a stand alone on it's own merits piece of legislation,before Bush signed it into law.

And again,this is both legal and typical of how things work in our government. And always have.That's partly why the old saw still exsists that if a piece of legislation is hated equally by the hardcore base voters in each party it's usually a pretty good common sense bill.


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Your position seems to be that the man you voted for and his Attorney General had no choice other than to enforce the law the people you didn't vote for enacted.

If that's the debth of your thought process, it is probably better that you don't play poker.
Fish there is plenty of blame to go around here for both sides of the aisle. The sites being brought up on charges sooner or later was pretty much inevitable,you hinted as much in a post of yours in another thread on this subject where you thanked Stars for the 4 and 1/2 years you did get past the UIEGA becoming law that another site didn't afford you.

Look at who actually has legislation out there looking to get on-line poker legalized,once and for all, in this country---Harry Reid in the Senate and Barney Frank in the House. Last I checked they were both Democrats (and do I think Reid's bill,as written,is something I would want to see passed? No I do not. Frank's looks a little more palatable at least.).


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THE SAD PART IS IF IT WAS PUT TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD PASS

GO KINGS

Right now,as we speak, according to the latest polling information,if it were up to the American people the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% would go bye-bye, Medicare,Medicaid and Social Security would be completely off the table and untouchable for any budget cuts and if it were up to registered Republicans President Obama would be declared an undocumented worker. And apparently a goof who bankrupted his own casino THREE times and wears a dead possum on his head would be their nominee for President.

Sometimes the American public is ahead of the politician's,sometimes not. Sometimes I think we would have been better off to stick with the Brits to. You cast your vote on election night and hope you were right about the horse you backed. Kind of like making a large raise UTG with Jacks,I guess.

Seriously Dennis,how do you think we get the rabble that we do have in power? LOL,the American people vote them in there is how.

How many of the American people,by %,do you suppose know the significance of the dates of say December 7,1941,April 14,1865 or October 24,1929 for instance? Or why the locations of Fort Sumter,SC;Lexington and Concord,MA or even a public bus in Montgomery,AL in 1955 are significant? I'm willing to bet that 75% of the people that get the most worked up about illegal immigration in this country couldn't pass the citizenship test themselves. Sorry dude,but for the most part when it comes to the American people I think PT Barnum pretty much nailed it myself.

Hell we typically have more votes cast for the finals of American Idol than we do for President (I know this is skewed by repeat votes,etc. but still......). That's kind of telling in my book.

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Oh and one last thing.............

GO CAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 06:38 AM
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As I understand it, the bill got attached to another bill that everyone wanted to pass. It is a common legislative trick. You combine a bill nobody wants with one that must be enacted. Since there is no line item veto, either it all passes, or it all fails. Isn't government wonderful?
That's why people say it's illegal. They should not be allowed to sneak laws in like this. They could enact martial law if they wanted to by attaching it as a rider to a health care package. This totally goes against everything democracy stands for and should not be done in a so-called free country.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 07:48 AM
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We should force all of the legislators to play zynga poker 24/7 for a month straight.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 09:28 AM
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We should force all of the legislators to play zynga poker 24/7 for a month straight.
If that happened we would never be allowed to play poker again!
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 10:16 AM
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THE SAD PART IS IF IT WAS PUT TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD PASS

GO KINGS

I think you are right. Online poker has lost the media sound bite war.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 10:18 AM
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Fish there is plenty of blame to go around here for both sides of the aisle. The sites being brought up on charges sooner or later was pretty much inevitable,you hinted as much in a post of yours in another thread on this subject where you thanked Stars for the 4 and 1/2 years you did get past the UIEGA becoming law that another site didn't afford you.

Look at who actually has legislation out there looking to get on-line poker legalized,once and for all, in this country---Harry Reid in the Senate and Barney Frank in the House. Last I checked they were both Democrats (and do I think Reid's bill,as written,is something I would want to see passed? No I do not. Frank's looks a little more palatable at least.).
“Fish there is plenty of blame to go around for both sides of the aisle.”

Moxie, my 48-word reply to the original post said just that. ONiX360 served up a thread titled “Did you vote for the people who passed the UIGEA” and then admitted that he voted for Obama in the original post. I thought that was worthy of a comment.

I think your 996-word post was out of line and way off topic. Up until now, I have not made any posts of a political nature. When we are talking about “Black Friday” it is hard not to have politics enter into the discussion. All of the following have no business in this discussion or this thread:

1) The passage of Medicare Part D.
2) The implication that Republicans are hypocritical for calling Kerry a flip flopper.
3) Your opinion of Article I Section 2 of the Constitution.
4) Your perception of the popularity of increasing tax rates on the top 2%.
5) Your perception of the popularity of keeping Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security the way they are now.
6) Your mischaracterization of Republicans embracing the “Birther” issue.
7) Your opinion of the viability of Trump winning the Republican nomination for President.
8) Your comments on illegal immigration.

If you want to get TOO2COO and TrumpinJoe to approve a separate thread on any one of these issues, I’ll happily go a few rounds with you. But, when you jumble them all in to a long-winded post it makes it impossible to have a good discussion on the issue in front of us.

Back to your reply to my post..

1) When I thanked PokerStars for the last 4 ½ years, I did not mean to imply that what happened Friday was inevitable. In fact, I thought just the opposite. If you remember back to 2006, there was a lot of pressure for sites to pull out. PokerStars took the risk and stayed strong. Since 2006 much has changed. My personal opinion is that had Clinton won the nomination and ended up as our 44th president, we would not be in this situation. You may be a fan of Holder and Obama, but I don’t think they are blameless here.
2) Whoever has legislation out there right now is off point. I’ve been rooting for Frank’s bill for years now. I don’t think this should be in the discussion, but if you think it is important, my question is why is it not already law. The Democrats had full control of Congress for two years. Why didn’t they pass it?

So Moxie, back to the point of my post. Is it fair for OniX360 to say be careful who you vote for when referring to this mess and then completely give Obama a pass?

I’m at 488 words here. If you respond, please try to focus on that last question and keep it under 200 words.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 11:30 AM
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Not much on word counting(I'll leave that work,to others)...So, strarting...Now("now" doesn't count[or the words within these paranthesis{spl chk?}],and neither should any quotes)......


"1) The passage of Medicare Part D.
2) The implication that Republicans are hypocritical for calling Kerry a flip flopper.
3) Your opinion of Article I Section 2 of the Constitution.
4) Your perception of the popularity of increasing tax rates on the top 2%.
5) Your perception of the popularity of keeping Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security the way they are now.
6) Your mischaracterization of Republicans embracing the “Birther” issue.
7) Your opinion of the viability of Trump winning the Republican nomination for President.
8) Your comments on illegal immigration."

I thought the analogies(1&2) were decent examples of how the legislative process works,or doesn't....of course they're examples that don't favor Repubs...#3,yeah, that was pretty much a dig at the blatent hypocracy Republicans are willing to display(a pretty tame dig,I might add).....4 & 5,check the polls,,acurate examples of how The people are often ahead of the curve vs. politicians/media...(again, doesn't favor Republican positions), but still relevant.....6-8...Yep, pretty open, shots at a Republican party which seems to be trying really hard to re-elect Obama....Personally I try to refrain from political discourse, at the tbls. But this thread is titled "Did you Vote..."....So, as far as I'm concerned,,,Moxie's post seems to fit here...just fine...as does your criticism of the DOJ,and Obama.........If I were to attempt to summarize my feeling about the Parties, and to adress your last 2 ques.,...it might go like this....

1...Clinton would have lost to McCain....moot point...I'm no fan of any politician..trust none..

2...The Dems don't Pass legislation, because they're a bunch of Liberal Pu$$ies, that are completly incapable of uniting their party and getting(ramming down the throats of the opposition) anything done...No "we dont really want Universal Health Care"....No" I'm perfectly fine with anyone earning more than $100k a yr getting to pay less in Social Security Tax"..And it's just fine that we've entered 2 wars without ever budgeting, or sacrificing to pay for them $2 trillion,and counting.....Never mind taxing those Millionaire Financial Phuks that sucked out the wealth from the economy/stock market....they're gonna be the "job creators"...hahahahaha(theses haha's should only count as 1 word)....


I could go on...and really am tempted to do so.....please inspire me...some more...............Quiver
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 12:14 PM
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I could go on...and really am tempted to do so.....please inspire me...some more...............Quiver
Your post was 383 words. To count the words, I simply copy the post and past it into a Word document. The point is long winded posts tend to ramble off topic. Be brief.

You seem to want to ramble on and miss the point too. The ONLY issue we should be discussing in this thread—is the one you ignored. If you or Moxie want to open a thread on all of that crap above, fine—I’ll discuss it with you.

My question remains. Does any of the blame for “Black Friday” fall on the shoulders of the man ONiX360 voted for? Second question—Are you or Moxie capable of keeping your replies under 200 words?

This post has 122 words.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 12:42 PM
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Your post was 383 words. To count the words, I simply copy the post and past it into a Word document. The point is long winded posts tend to ramble off topic. Be brief.

You seem to want to ramble on and miss the point too. The ONLY issue we should be discussing in this thread—is the one you ignored. If you or Moxie want to open a thread on all of that crap above, fine—I’ll discuss it with you.

My question remains. Does any of the blame for “Black Friday” fall on the shoulders of the man ONiX360 voted for? Second question—Are you or Moxie capable of keeping your replies under 200 words?

This post has 122 words.
Just because you SCREAM it, doesn't make it so..."The ONLY issue we should be discussing".....I'll be briefer this time,promise...

I said,"
But this thread is titled "Did you Vote..."....So, as far as I'm concerned,,,Moxie's post seems to fit here...just fine...as does your criticism of the DOJ,and Obama"...in case you missed it " your criticism of the DOJ,and Obama"....

When the TITLE OF THE THREAD BEGINS..."Did you Vote....", That's pretty much all I need to justify ANY POLITICAL ramblings, I, or anyone else for that matter may feel inclined to devulge.....Don't see a need to open any new thread for what will cetainly be a fleeting topic......I'm not here for politics.....but thoroughly enjoy the subject........

As far as blame goes,,I'm pretty sure that The DOJ was going to do this regardless of who was in the WH,or The AG....Dems, want Ceasar paid...Repubs,seem split, between social conservs/free mrkt,,.and certainly on this issue are a bit more culpable, for the present circumstances....NO ONE WILL EVER GET A PASS FROM ME!!!!!!!!!!!....................If the LAME ASS Dems. could just figure out how to make the conservative arguements for the most necessary, of their liberal policies...I for 1 believe, we could Unite as a country,at least around 60% or so....and actually put The US back on top of most of the metrics by which a Countries standard of living should be measured...But I'm an idealist to be sure....Also would not mind at all, if sanity returned to the Republican Party, because they're much better at getting Sh!t done....But am not holding my breath for EITHER....Count That...Quiver
 
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As far as blame goes,,I'm pretty sure that The DOJ was going to do this regardless of who was in the WH,or The AG....Dems, want Ceasar paid...Repubs,seem split, between social conservs/free mrkt,,.and certainly on this issue are a bit more culpable, for the present circumstances....NO ONE WILL EVER GET A PASS FROM ME
Now you are getting the hang of it (259 Words that time).

Your position is that the DOJ was going to unseal the indictments and make arrests on April 15th and there was nothing any President could have done to stop it. I disagree with that. It looks like Obama gets a pass from you on this one. I’m off to work now. Be back around 11:30 p.m. Eastern.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 05:52 PM
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They should not be allowed to sneak laws in like this. .
True that. I live in Wisconsin and apparently that is how we play politics now. No holds barred. If Wisconsin was its own country, Scott Walker would not be our governor, he would be our dictator.Nothing is illegal if you are a politician.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 08:37 PM
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In all honesty, I'm thinking all of you are forgetting the central issue. We had a bill that had to be passed, port security. Nobody was going to vote against it, in either party. Somebody got a rider attached. This is the usual means of passing unpopular legislation without taking blame. Since the bill in its entirety must be approved, or rejected, this is a common system.

Pity is, I think they tried the line item veto for about a week. When Congress realized that gave the President too much leverage over their "feeding trough," read pork barrel legislation, they reversed their decision. And as has been mentioned, it sometimes serves the purpose of passing social legislation, or spending bills, that are unpopular.

Regardless of who is in power, this is a common tactic. Usually it is done to entice, read buy, votes from the other political party.

So blame whichever person made the rider, not the people that voted it, or the President who signed it.

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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 11:13 PM
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Your position seems to be that the man you voted for and his Attorney General had no choice other than to enforce the law the people you didn't vote for enacted.

If that's the debth of your thought process, it is probably better that you don't play poker.

Duh Duh Duh Duh Gtfo Go fishing wank get dumb drunk drink some beer and donk away some chips with 22
if your depth of thought process is to bash other players trying to gather and help the problem we have we will never be able to play online poker again thanks to idiots like you

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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 12:25 AM
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Okay, the UIGEA was snuck into other legislation and passed. I never liked Bill Frisk and I thought what he did was despicable.

One piece of legislation that was not snuck through was the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). It was passed by the house (342-67) on July 12, 1996. It was passed by the Senate (85-14) on September 10, 1996. It was signed into law by President Clinton on September 21, 1996.

On February 23, 2011 President Obama ordered the DOJ to no longer enforce DOMA. Eric Holder sent a memo to Speaker Boehner that same day explaining the move. This was shocking. Had Obama ordered the DOJ to no longer enforce UIGEA, it would not have been much of a story.

Like Moxie said, there is plenty of blame here for both sides of the isle. I’m still having trouble understanding how someone who is unhappy with the events of “Black Friday” can say they voted for Obama, but it is unfortunate that others voted for the people who passed the UIGEA. I’m still having trouble understanding why the online poker players who have posted in this thread refuse to assign ANY blame to Obama.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 12:39 AM
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pretty sure Obama doesnt have a clue about it

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