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Antigua - our last, best hope!! - Thu Apr 21, 2011, 04:40 PM
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The nation of Antigua, which is home to Absolute Poker, one of the three sites shutdown by the Feds and the only one that has yet to work out an agreement with the U.S. government to allow its U.S. players to cashout their accounts, is threatening to sue the U.S. government because they say its crackdown on poker players is illegal!!

Apparently the tiny Caribbean nation has kicked our butts once before when the government tried to shutdown its gambling businesses. According to the article, the World Trade Organization "ruled in 2005 that the United States violated international agreements on trade in services by prosecuting the operators of offshore Internet gambling sites. The WTO rejected the U.S. argument that the restrictions were necessary to protect public morality."

This sounds suspiciously like what the Feds are doing again. Interestingly, the WTO allowed Antigua to retaliate in 2007 by suspending the amount of money it was losing from U.S. companies doing business in Antigua.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...News&ca=rssvzw

Go, Antigua, go!!!
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 05:36 PM
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Fascinating! Thanks for posting that teepack.

The WTO unfair trade angle adds an interesting wrinkle. That's true that gambling is legal in the US at brick and mortar establishments, and there's been speculation that some politicians have been opposing online gambling because it poses a threat to brick and mortar casinos.

On the other hand, by most accounts, there were some politicians who actually opposed online gaming because of the morality issue, and the legislators of sovereign nations ought to have the right to pass into law rules that they believe are reflective of the will of their citizenry.

It feels like Absolute Poker has a stronger case than the other two because of the WTO ruling, and the vocal support of the Antiguan government. But there's still all those unknowns ... it'll be interesting to watch and see how this unfolds. If it reaches court, and goes before a jury then either poker will be declared legal or the people from Absolute Poker who are being charged could possibly be fined and go to jail. I wonder if that's where they're wanting this to go or whether they're just negotiating at a different pace from the other two ...

Interesting ...
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011, 11:56 PM
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a bill created by deceit and trickery is somehow the law?

everyone who say's yes to protect are port's say aye we have 317 Aye's

Barney frank asks what is this illegal online poker inside a safe port act in here he tells other about the trick to make online poker illegal inside a name like safe port act in the bill 93 Nay's not Quick enough to expose the truth
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 12:04 AM
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[QUOTE=protect public morality."[/QUOTE]


yea and the morality is to stop players who have pictures of cat's dogs and there family as avatars to stop i have yet to see some posting his pic as a drunkn booze hound a scraggly beard and un shampooed hair
 
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Go Baby Go - Fri Apr 22, 2011, 12:24 AM
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GO Antigua, How do I donate a $1.00 to their Presidental election fund!!
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 02:14 AM
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bramuda bahama come on pretty momma, antigua, jamaca ohhh I wanna take ya, down to kokomo, we'll get there fast and then take it slow, that's where I wanna go

beach boys, everyone sing along....sorry I got a bit carried away but I love that song....seriously
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2011, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TrustySam View Post

<SNIPPED FOR BREVITY>.

On the other hand, by most accounts, there were some politicians who actually opposed online gaming because of the morality issue, and the legislators of sovereign nations ought to have the right to pass into law rules that they believe are reflective of the will of their citizenry.

<SNIPPED>

Interesting ...
Morality?

Strip clubs and Pink clubs abound, frequented by married men and women who left their kids under the temporary care of the baby sitter who probably, while they are out, invited some friends over and have some "drink."

Adult theater who are frequented by married pervs.

Las Vegas, the haven for all types and sort of gambling. How is this different from online casinos and poker rooms? Well of course aside from being located inside the US and being levied tax...

Pseudo-moralists I should say.

Let the adult population decide! If they do anything illegal in the course of fulfulling their vice/habit, then prosecute them. Heck, get the national guard and put them to firing squad.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2011, 10:07 PM
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George W Bush gave concessions in 2007 to Antigua and the European union in 2007 to settle the WTO decision at that time. They declined to say what they were under the umbrella of 'national security'. It is estimated that he gave a way BILLIONS.

All to protect the country from online poker.

You can look this in Wikipedia under 'Safe Port Act' or UIGEA.

Does ANYONE not feel disgusted by the Republicans and George W Bush?
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2011, 12:01 PM
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Yes, I understand lastcard. I understand that people who lie and cheat and steal justify themselves by saying that 'everyone else' does it. You didn't even join the PS until this month. So why are you posting? What do you care? Probably an FBI weasel. I'll be sure and make a note about this ID lastcard1. ADMITS TO HAVING MORE THAN ONE ACCOUNT AND COLLUDING WITH OTHERS. That about right?
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2011, 01:28 PM
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Most of the online poker groupies just dont want to believe it but it's deff over and will only get worse before it gets better. Hope they dont hold their breath for to long tho. iv came ahead all in all on the site but waisted many many hours, i hope they always make online poker illigal it is shady iv had multiple accounts for years and cornered tables with others its a small part of the bigger schemes but PS really dont care as long as they can get that RAKE!! For every person that petitions the gov to keep it there will be another inline against it. LONG LIVED ONLINE POKER!!! and the pros that endorse it are sellouts:wave

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Sun Apr 24, 2011, 03:25 PM
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. The WTO rejected the U.S. argument that the restrictions were necessary to protect public morality."
Public morality! That is just so American! That is part of the image problem that America has (largely it's government), it thinks it is better than everyone and therefore dictate stuff like morality.

Go Antigua, GO!!!
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2011, 04:59 PM
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George W Bush gave concessions in 2007 to Antigua and the European union in 2007 to settle the WTO decision at that time. They declined to say what they were under the umbrella of 'national security'. It is estimated that he gave a way BILLIONS.

All to protect the country from online poker.

You can look this in Wikipedia under 'Safe Port Act' or UIGEA.

Does ANYONE not feel disgusted by the Republicans and George W Bush?
If you will check into this a little you will discover that this is not the first time the USA or other nations have chosen to make concessions in other areas as compensation when found at fault by the WTO.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2011, 10:11 AM
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Yes, our attitude is, 'We know what's best for you, and if you won't protect yourselves from these problems, we'll just do it for you. Even if it means we have to eventually pay you billions of dollars as a settlement because what we did was against the law. We still know what is best for you.'
 

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