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Help Me Understand xBB/100 Winrate - Fri Apr 22, 2011, 04:08 AM
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Alright, so I'm a little new to understanding how winrate works. I have a few questions, and I hope someone can help out.

What does the x/100 figure mean? (e.g. if I have a winrate of 1BB/100)

What is a good sample size of hands to get an accurate read of my winrate?

What is generally considered an average winrate, and what is considered a really good winrate?

How can I use my winrate stats to analyze my game, or decide when to move up/down stakes?

What other info should I know about winrate?

Thanks guys.

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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 08:12 AM
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bb/100 means either # of Big Blinds won per 100 hands, or BB/100 is number of Big Bets won (for fixed limit) per 100 hands. I think the average is something like 2-5 BB/100 for fixed limit

Big Bet = the big blind for fixed limit
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 08:23 AM
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Yay. Thanks.

So, my HEM should be showing big blinds/100 hands, at least for my NLHE stats, I assume.

Now I'm curious how I interpret the stats, and how I can use them to develop my game.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 05:06 PM
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My guess is 100,000+ hands might be a reasonable sample size. I have atleast 30,000 hands at 5NL and I don't think it is accurate at all. I haven't tried checking what it is, but I have run so bad for those 30,000 hands I know for a fact it is way off.

Also, the less tables you play at a time the sample size can probably be slightly smaller. If your playing 12+ tables at a time I would want atleast 100,000 hands to feel really secure about the results.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 07:25 PM
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Yay. Thanks.

So, my HEM should be showing big blinds/100 hands, at least for my NLHE stats, I assume.

Now I'm curious how I interpret the stats, and how I can use them to develop my game.
agree w/ aarocker panicky about tables. But maybe this will help. I heard it said a long time ago that 27,000 hands was about what was needed to get the luck factor to almost 0%. So, I'd say at least 30K in hands before you make any solid decisions on analysis. -Cookies
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 07:41 PM
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Alright. I'll aim for 30k hands at my present limit before making any major analysis. That'll probably take six months though, since I'm back to one-tabling.



Anyone know what a good winrate is, btw?
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 07:47 PM
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what level are you playing? 2nl 10 BB is pretty easy
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 08:27 PM
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Anyone know what a good winrate is, btw?
In the old PSO, Dave (TheLangolier) wrote a blog about his quest for 10bb/100 at (I believe) 50 & 100 NL over a year.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 08:30 PM
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50NL. I've been playing it for the past few days with good results, but I only have 1k hands.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 08:31 PM
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In the old PSO, Dave (TheLangolier) wrote a blog about his quest for 10bb/100 at (I believe) 50 & 100 NL over a year.
Then I must really be running good. Maybe I'll try something similar, once I've gotten a read on whether or not I can sustain my wins.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 08:36 PM
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you are playing 50nl with 150 bankroll?
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 09:03 PM
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Anyone know what a good winrate is, btw?
That's easy the answer 1bb/100 or more
Over 90% of all poker players lose money so if your average bb/100 is anything more than 0 then you are doing well over 5 your doing great over 10 your up with the semi-pros 20+ what the hell you doing here.

(my current is 5.14bb/100 from 2209 tacked hands so only another 35,000 hands to track to find my place in the poker world)
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 09:31 PM
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you are playing 50nl with 150 bankroll?
Nope. My roll's a bit bigger than that. I don't see much reason to grind lower limits when I'm rarely booking losses. If my winrate starts swinging down, I'll consider dropping back to 25NL.

And that's a good answer, badbuddie. I guess a 1BB/100 winrate is pretty good, unless that's before rake.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011, 10:49 PM
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Then I must really be running good. Maybe I'll try something similar, once I've gotten a read on whether or not I can sustain my wins.
Too small a sample size. For limit the average if 3bb an hour. But, i can't tell ya for NL. nor for online, nor for /100 as I don't have the sample size yet.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2011, 06:05 PM
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I am in the middle of reading a poker article on a poker news related website and there is an online cash pro 'Taylor Caby' talking about sample sizes. He feels a good sample size for cash games would be about 250,000 hands. He was answering a question related to what considerations need to be made to quit your day job and play poker professionally. So my guess is that number is a bit on the high end, as you want to be REALLY secure in your win rate before quiting your day job.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2011, 06:58 PM
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I can see that taking me roughly a year, averaging about one table per session. That sounds about right to me. However, as I work on improving my game, I'm inevitably going to increase the stakes at which I play. And every time I do that, I'm going to have a sample size of 0 for that level. I wonder what level(s) Caby would recommend getting those numbers at, for people who don't plan to stick to the one limit.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2011, 07:33 PM
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I can see that taking me roughly a year, averaging about one table per session. That sounds about right to me. However, as I work on improving my game, I'm inevitably going to increase the stakes at which I play. And every time I do that, I'm going to have a sample size of 0 for that level. I wonder what level(s) Caby would recommend getting those numbers at, for people who don't plan to stick to the one limit.
I think he was referring to the limit you plan on grinding at for a living. I think once you get to that point you don't move around the stakes too much.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2011, 07:42 PM
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5,000nl?

Apparently you need permission from the head office to play anything higher.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2011, 12:07 AM
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If that had been a blog comment, I would be deleting it.
 
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