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KK 5th hand in the sunday storm.

KK 5th hand in the sunday storm. - Sun Apr 24, 2011, 03:36 PM
andrei17731's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 160
So I was playing the sunday storm and this situation occured, Should I have called the shove or not?

It was like the 5th hand and I thought that it\s not worth a coin flip at this stage of the tournament so I folded.

PokerStars Game #61257345664: Tournament #417010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/04/24 12:32:03 PT [2011/04/24 15:32:03 ET]
Table '417010003 1647' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MR DISA132 (2980 in chips)
Seat 2: JoDimaggio70 (2970 in chips)
Seat 3: andrei17731 (2970 in chips)
Seat 4: ronnytyk (5990 in chips)
Seat 5: bogdann1982 (2980 in chips)
Seat 6: I_AM_N_1 (3030 in chips)
Seat 7: gagaboy5 (3080 in chips)
Seat 8: pkrbadgirl (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: brave-83 (3000 in chips)
bogdann1982: posts small blind 10
I_AM_N_1: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andrei17731 [Kd Kc]
gagaboy5: calls 20
pkrbadgirl: folds
brave-83: folds
MR DISA132: folds
JoDimaggio70: folds
andrei17731: raises 60 to 80
ronnytyk: calls 80
bogdann1982: folds
I_AM_N_1: folds
gagaboy5: raises 3000 to 3080 and is all-in
andrei17731: folds
ronnytyk: folds
Uncalled bet (3000) returned to gagaboy5
gagaboy5 collected 270 from pot
Sun Apr 24, 2011, 04:27 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,857
First, let me start with this because I'm partial to this situation (I've played that tourney twice and KK burnt me).

With it being that early in the tourney, I'd muck them to the shove. Someone can easily have AA or Ace/anything and outdraw you. Let alone the other combos that people can draw at to beat you.

It's alot easier to muck them when someone pushes you that early in the tourney, but it's not an easy hand to let go of.
Sun Apr 24, 2011, 10:23 PM
oriholic's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 751

KK is NEVER a coinflip unless you're against KK. Too many hands besides AA are shoving here. You'll get plenty of dipsos shoving any pair, any ace, any suited connector, two broadways, etc. This probably isn't even the first time he's pushed. Against anything besides AA and KK you're a HUGE favorite.

Also, note that he's pushed 154 BBs all in during the first level...this generally means one of two things: he's an idiot and you're way ahead of his range or he's just gambling for a big flip early and you're way ahead of his range. Yeah, it's possible he has aces or an ace and the board will match it to knock you out, but by far most of the time you're doubling up early, which is hugely advantageous.

You have the chance to get it all in preflop with the 2nd best possible starting hand...you have to take it.
Mon Apr 25, 2011, 12:15 AM
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Im never folding KK.

I think people play the Sunday Storm way to tight.
Most times I have made it to the 1000 left point it is just flipping and calling shoves or shoving yourself.You just cant sit back in this one.
So if you can get a chip lead early it allows you to bully tables near the bubble and call shortstack allins,its just to much value to pass up on.Treat this tourney like a turbo and you will do a hell of a lot better in the future.

Scared money is dead money
Mon Apr 25, 2011, 10:09 AM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,857
for me... any other tourney, it's an instant call.

Only reason I said what I did is due to my first statement, which is why I said what I did first.... I'm 0-for the tourney with KK, especially early.

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