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would you call this? - Wed Apr 27, 2011, 11:02 PM
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first, a little background..... seat 3 will push any A or any suited cards, especially any A. Seat 5 will push any A or any pkt pair, regardless of position or how high their pair is.
Only result that would matter in the tourney is a top 5 (top 5 get final seats for WSOP ME seat... and I'm actually already in it).

I could have used the replayer for this, but don't want to let anyone see what happened in the end (will post the rest after I get your input).

PokerStars Game #61401650919: Tournament #387239909, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2011/04/27 21:52:01 CT [2011/04/27 22:52:01 ET]
Table '387239909 11' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: thejrush (2385 in chips)
Seat 2: tilt77311 (9942 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: osheadirish (3135 in chips)
Seat 4: 8BALL201 (10340 in chips)
Seat 5: Dévilram (4575 in chips)
Seat 6: dorts2000 (1050 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: joetheman14 (1445 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: rltljohnson (2640 in chips)
Seat 9: JWK24 (1545 in chips)
thejrush: posts small blind 50
tilt77311: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JWK24 [As Kc]
osheadirish: calls 100
8BALL201: folds
Dévilram: calls 100
dorts2000: folds
joetheman14: folds
rltljohnson: folds
JWK24: raises 200 to 300
thejrush: folds
tilt77311: folds
osheadirish: raises 700 to 1000
Dévilram: raises 3575 to 4575 and is all-in
JWK24: calls 1245 and is all-in
osheadirish: calls 2135 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1440) returned to Dévilram
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2011, 11:15 PM
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A couple things...I think I played this game myself last night and found it loaded w/ maniacal play.

You stated that these 2 will push w/ any Ace, etc. ...so you're guessing that they aren't even this good since they just called to begin with?
I know sometimes these types of players will also limp with a monster and after a raise will shove. But regardless, I personally am a bit more loose than most in a saty like this...so 15 blinds would be a shove for me on the button with these two players limping. I tend to shove in good situations with as much as 20 blinds sometimes if it's a saty. Particularly if I'm just there to keep others out of the final event. Just my .02.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2011, 11:29 PM
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If either of these guys is limp/shoving a monster, then you're not doing well. If one is shoving a pair, and the other is shoving an ace, then you're also not doing well. But if they're both capable of shoving weak aces, then I think it's a pretty easy call, especially given that you've invested 20% of your stack in the pot.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2011, 11:32 PM
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seat 3 had already shoved A4o, A8o, A6o.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2011, 01:02 AM
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15 BBs, I'm shoving AK into a couple limpers.

If they're shoving any ace they're probably shoving any two broadway, right? I gave one guy a range of about 50% and the other about 25%. You're 40% against their ranges...

Question is, how close is the bubble? If this is the final table I think you can fold here, even given reads that you're ahead. Especially with two short stack sitters.

With your stack you really need to be thinking shove or fold. You don't want to waste chips raise-folding. You need those chips to shove for fold equity. If you're planning on calling an all-in, you might as well just push all in yourself, especially on such shallow stacks. At least you have fold equity. If you fold here you might as well be bluffing, and if you call here you have to win a 3-way. Tough spot. That's why you should just push pre.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2011, 11:49 AM
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good point Ori. I agree, after looking back at it that I probably should have just shoved first.

These tournies are total shovefests, worse than the astronomer ones... but with a WSOP ME seat as the prize, gotta take a shot at it (especially since we can't play for $$ on here). It's my 2nd straight year being in the final and last year, got KO'd by the person that won the seat. Hopefully I can do better this time, as the other reason I'm still playing until the final is to get some notes on players at my tables that I can use in the final.

I hadn't seen either of them get 2 broadway cards but like you, I'd assume they'd shove that too (noted a few others that shoved them).

I had probably 2 hrs left to get to FT and needed alot more chips to get there, about 15-25k based on my prior games, depending on if there was a big stack or even stacks later on. I tried to run one of them being really tight due to the shovefest and shortstacked basically the whole tourney, got to top 25, but really didn't get much for cards either... and I'm not playing OSM with ATC to get chips.
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The board came with the lowball express that obviously with AK, didn't help at all, and both opps had under pairs that missed the board too.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2011, 12:37 PM
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Where do you find this?? I would love to play something...especially for a WSOP seat!
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2011, 01:59 PM
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ESPN Poker Club... it's run thru the .net client
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2011, 02:23 PM
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+1 ori, this is a shove pre... Don't understand why we're making a pot sweetener raise over 2 limpers on a 15 bb stack.

As played super easy call imo.

Funny that you're able to mark your own thread as evaluated.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2011, 03:59 PM
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[QUOTE=TheLangolier;277199Funny that you're able to mark your own thread as evaluated. [/QUOTE]

must have done that on it's own... I didn't check it.
 

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