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JJ in the SB - Mon May 02, 2011, 03:40 PM
andrei17731's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 160
So everyone folds I decide to double the BB, don't want the BB to fold, wanna make a a little extra money, but then all of a sudden he shoves. If I was to raise 3bb and he shoved I'd have to call, right? is it okay to call in this instant? your most likely at a coin flip.

PokerStars Game #61597075421: Tournament #390860917, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/05/02 12:30:46 PT [2011/05/02 15:30:46 ET]
Table '390860917 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: IntheMoment (1565 in chips)
Seat 3: ChoboPokeR_r (1545 in chips)
Seat 4: saviocesar (1930 in chips)
Seat 6: Tomo_cz33 (3445 in chips)
Seat 7: Mr_Meth66 (960 in chips)
Seat 8: andrei17731 (1180 in chips)
Seat 9: teogrobari4 (1570 in chips)
andrei17731: posts small blind 25
teogrobari4: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andrei17731 [Js Jh]
IntheMoment: folds
ChoboPokeR_r: folds
saviocesar: folds
Tomo_cz33: folds
Mr_Meth66: folds
andrei17731: raises 50 to 100
teogrobari4: raises 1470 to 1570 and is all-in
andrei17731: calls 1080 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (390) returned to teogrobari4
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3s 4h]
*** TURN *** [Tc 3s 4h] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3s 4h Kd] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
andrei17731: shows [Js Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
Mon May 02, 2011, 04:54 PM
roomik17's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,556
you are far from pot committed this early... hard to get away from that hand though, only 3 hands have you crushed... personally too early for me to shove back without holding KK or AA, so easy fold for me
Mon May 02, 2011, 05:16 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,809
I agree with Roomik. It's too early to be calling it and when I fold it, I still have plenty of BB's left to see a flop (with no antes makes it an even longer time to find a hand).

This one's a prime example of why everyone hates JJ. If you call, regardless of the opponents cards, you're probably in trouble.

Later in a tourney, if I'm short on chips, I'd call, but this early, you really need to fold it and find a better situation to get your chips into.
Mon May 02, 2011, 05:47 PM
oriholic's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 751
But if you fold you're pretty close to turning JJ into a bluff. And your raises will have no respect.

He can be doing this with 77-TT too. Maybe even some smaller pairs. I think you're significantly better than a flip against his range. I think 77+, AJ+, ATs+ is a pretty reasonable range to put him on, and we're about 56% against that range.

That is, unless you have reads that he's shoving wider/tighter.

I prefer a call. No need to pass up a small edge like this this early. Remember, you're only flipping against AK, AQ, KQ. It's not like you have 88 where you're flipping against a ton of hands.

If he's not pushing AJo, ATs, 77 and 88 here (ie. hands you dominate), then I would suggest folding.

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