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live poker at casinos, who's played - Sat May 07, 2011, 04:03 PM
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just played first table at a casino, ended up losing a big pot KJ vs A3 flop AK turn J river A

but was wondering for anyone whos played live ring games,

do they take a rake, and how much.

where i played they took $3 each hand i think, which seems really steep, they even took out the small blind ($1) preflop so if everyone folded to the big blind he wouldn't even win the small blind.

I thought it was kinda ridiculous. I thought the online poker sites took a huge rake, but now looking at it, seems like they take a lot more rake live (i guess they have physical overhead to cover, building, utilities, staff) but taking $3 from a $60 buy in and taking $1 preflop seemed like a lot.

so what are other casino's policies on rake, just wanted to see what other places are like. and how is vegas, ive never heard anything about rake there. im gonna do a google search but let me know your experiences
 
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Sun May 08, 2011, 09:10 PM
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Casino rake varies, but can be huge. I usually play fixed limit or spread limit, low stakes - 2/4, 2/5, 3/6, 2-6.
I've seen rake like you've described - $3 off the pre-flop betting, regardless. Then they take a buck a game for the bad beat jackpot, sometimes more. Don't forget to tip the dealer when you win.

And you thought slot machines were bad?
 
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Sun May 08, 2011, 09:29 PM
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If I could win $3 every ten hands reliably, I'd be a happy camper. Having the house rake $3 off of every hand would just annoy me. Does it work such that you could open raise, have everyone fold, win the pot, and actually lose money? I'd never go to that casino again.
 
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Sun May 08, 2011, 10:23 PM
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As far as I know Panicky, no rake unless a flop hits the table.
 
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Sun May 08, 2011, 11:20 PM
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As far as I know Panicky, no rake unless a flop hits the table.
I agree... at least for the casinos I've been in.
 
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Mon May 09, 2011, 06:55 PM
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The casino I am referring to rakes $3 as soon as pre-flop betting is over. With a $1 SB and $2 BB, the casino literally takes both blinds. So, one player bets, SB folds, and BB checks. Pot is $5 - casino takes $3, leaving $2 for betting on the flop. If there is no betting, the blinds have the option of "chopping". They get their blinds back, there is no rake.

Still, if there were no betting to the river, the winner would get his money back. That is a 60% rake. I hate playing there, but the options in the neighborhood are limited.

Herk
 
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Mon May 09, 2011, 07:08 PM
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What are you playing at the Bada Bing club?
 
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Mon May 09, 2011, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by guitaplaya69 View Post
just played first table at a casino, ended up losing a big pot KJ vs A3 flop AK turn J river A

but was wondering for anyone whos played live ring games,

do they take a rake, and how much.

where i played they took $3 each hand i think, which seems really steep, they even took out the small blind ($1) preflop so if everyone folded to the big blind he wouldn't even win the small blind.

I thought it was kinda ridiculous. I thought the online poker sites took a huge rake, but now looking at it, seems like they take a lot more rake live (i guess they have physical overhead to cover, building, utilities, staff) but taking $3 from a $60 buy in and taking $1 preflop seemed like a lot.

so what are other casino's policies on rake, just wanted to see what other places are like. and how is vegas, ive never heard anything about rake there. im gonna do a google search but let me know your experiences
We pay $1 for every $10 in the pot up to $4 in STL. I pay $1 tip for every pot I win. Rake is part of the game and shouldn't be a factor in playing. That rake allows you to play. If you want to play for free. Stay home and have a game. See how your action is there?

JT
 
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Mon May 09, 2011, 08:42 PM
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Rake is part of the game and shouldn't be a factor in playing.
Rake weakens pot odds and lowers ROI. The implications of rake weakening pot odds is subtle, but it has an effect on any pot that is raked, and should occasionally result in you changing your line in a hand because there isn't enough money to be won in order to take a certain action. The lowering of ROI means that it would actually be practical for some players to not go to the casino at all, because the rake causes them to be playing with negative expectation.
 
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Mon May 09, 2011, 09:39 PM
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that's why i stopped playing at their cash tables and only played tourneys $40+$4 $50+$5 and a $5 tip if i finished 1st to 3rd
 
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Tue May 10, 2011, 07:54 PM
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Only played once in a casino over here (UK) and that does seem really steep. Didn't really know how to play and bought in short stacked. Pots I were in, I didn't even notice the rake so it couldn't have been too much. Maybe 10% of the biggest I won but I imagine it depends on the size and amount of players.
 

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