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super turbo - Thu May 12, 2011, 02:17 PM
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ok so all i had been getting was total trash, i had just been moved to the table about 5 hands before so i have no reads on any of the players, i know i am in early position and not too great of a hand with so many to act, but i figure with it being a super turbo these hands don't come round that often, did i play it right or should i of raised/shoved on the flop? or just let it go?

 
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Thu May 12, 2011, 02:50 PM
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Look what called you. There's your answer.

Yes, snap shove pre.
 
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Thu May 12, 2011, 05:49 PM
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You played it correctly. Shove preflop. You had the best hand and got unlucky.
 
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Thu May 12, 2011, 08:38 PM
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+1 snap shove.

Don't be results oriented either, it's a common trap players fall into. If you and won this hand, would you still be asking if shoving was correct?
 
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Thu May 12, 2011, 08:54 PM
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If you and won this hand, would you still be asking if shoving was correct?
yes for the simple reason i am still unsure as to how to play AJ, AQ, AK from early positions, these are all classed as premiuim hands when you are entering the pot 1st with them however i am finding through reading and hands i have posted that these are only premium hands if you have position.

i am also getting confused with the KQ, KJ, QJ range again should these be opened in position, when can should you be calling raises with all the above hands, should you be 3 betting them?

i thought i was doing ok with it all then started asking advice and hand analysis etc and it seems to of improved parts of my game yet thrown other parts into turmoil.

i am often seeing raises disregarded and being 3 bet by weaker hands than mine, often by players out of position, so it is difficult getting a handle on what hands should be played when, as what the "text" book says is the complete opposite of what other players are doing and why "text book" plays are getting so many bad beats.
 
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Thu May 12, 2011, 09:29 PM
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also as i think about it, if the villian has ranged me on JJ+ AJ+has he infact made a semi decent call, he has given himself 2 live cards, possibility of both flush and straight draws against me, this is just a thought but i would be curious to others thoughts.
 
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Thu May 12, 2011, 09:34 PM
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with his suited 1-gap hand, against a random hand he's about in a coin flip (52%). with your two overcards, he's at 40%. If he thinks you're shoving light, with it being a coin flip, it's not a horrid call.

The reason for the more bad beats..... if you get your chips in ahead, then you can get bad-beat. If you put your chips in behind, you can't get a bad-beat. If you continually get your chips in when you're ahead, the majority of your losses will be bad-beats.
 
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Thu May 12, 2011, 09:34 PM
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Look what called you. There's your answer.

Yes, snap shove pre.
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+1 snap shove.
Does anyone have a cEV calculator on standby (I don't)? I've been practicing hyper-turbos lately, so my instincts here aren't necessarily sharp, but I disagree that this is a snap-shove. I think it's still a shove, but given what the optimal calling ranges are behind, I think AQo is about the weakest you should be shoving here.
 
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Thu May 12, 2011, 10:37 PM
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yes for the simple reason i am still unsure as to how to play AJ, AQ, AK from early positions, these are all classed as premiuim hands when you are entering the pot 1st with them however i am finding through reading and hands i have posted that these are only premium hands if you have position.

i am also getting confused with the KQ, KJ, QJ range again should these be opened in position, when can should you be calling raises with all the above hands, should you be 3 betting them?

i thought i was doing ok with it all then started asking advice and hand analysis etc and it seems to of improved parts of my game yet thrown other parts into turmoil.

i am often seeing raises disregarded and being 3 bet by weaker hands than mine, often by players out of position, so it is difficult getting a handle on what hands should be played when, as what the "text" book says is the complete opposite of what other players are doing and why "text book" plays are getting so many bad beats.
I was going to mention this in your other thread, but I'm here reading this one so I'll say it now.

I think the reason you're getting confused is that there is no one textbook way to play a hand. There's too many other variables to consider to decide if a play is correct or not. Position, stack sizes, table images, level of a tournament, and type of a tournament all come into play. Playing AJ a certain way may be 100% correct in one situation, and 100% wrong in another. That's the beauty of poker.

Don't let any of this confusion frustrate you, this just means you're learning and are on the right path.
 
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Fri May 13, 2011, 07:37 AM
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If you continually get your chips in when you're ahead, the majority of your losses will be bad-beats.
i agree with that and it used to upset me, although the more i read and the more i play i realise that as a poker player all we CAN do is HOPE our money is going in good, when we do get it in good then that is ALL we can ask for, it means that the other player/s had to get lucky to beat us, it still stings when it happens but at least we know within ourselves we made the right play at the right time.

(although there are still parts of this that confuse me lol, like when you get it all in with say top 2 pairs or trips and get called by the draws because they have the right price to call etc)

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Don't let any of this confusion frustrate you, this just means you're learning and are on the right path.
thanks, confusion/frustration i believe is also part of the game, i would lay money even the pro's still get frustrated and confused by other peoples plays. best we can hope for is that we don't let it affect our game and we take it in our stride and learn from it.
 

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