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Bemused - Mon May 16, 2011, 05:27 PM
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All I can say about the guy who called my preflop bet was neither aggresive or loose
This was my hundreth hand 2 hrs into a pso league game and had been on the same table as him from the start
Here are my stats
100 hands played and saw flop:
- 3 times out of 12 while in small blind (25%)
- 3 times out of 12 while in big blind (25%)
- 7 times out of 76 in other positions (9%)
- a total of 13 times out of 100 (13%)

Pots won at showdown - 3 out of 4 (75%)
Pots won without showdown - 6

This hand has got me questioning my whole style of play or should I just give up poker all together , uninstal PS and find something else to do instead ?

PokerStars Game #62185665525: Tournament #387020674, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2011/05/16 21:44:47 WET [2011/05/16 16:44:47 ET]
Table '387020674 53' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: topthecat (1050 in chips)
Seat 2: Heissal (8345 in chips)
Seat 3: RedSlowPoker (8252 in chips)
Seat 4: fraka89 (5495 in chips)
Seat 5: spike8998 (5362 in chips)
Seat 6: justletme142 (745 in chips)
Seat 7: Have Fun t00 (4411 in chips)
Seat 8: anti5ive (6275 in chips)
Seat 9: YungSto (2155 in chips)
topthecat: posts the ante 50
Heissal: posts the ante 50
RedSlowPoker: posts the ante 50
fraka89: posts the ante 50
spike8998: posts the ante 50
justletme142: posts the ante 50
Have Fun t00: posts the ante 50
anti5ive: posts the ante 50
YungSto: posts the ante 50
topthecat: posts small blind 300
Heissal: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to spike8998 [Kd Ac]
RedSlowPoker: calls 600
fraka89: folds
spike8998: raises 1800 to 2400
justletme142: folds
Have Fun t00: folds
anti5ive: folds
YungSto: folds
topthecat said, "oh i am still alive"
topthecat: folds
spike8998 said, "lmao"
Heissal: folds
RedSlowPoker: calls 1800
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7d 2s]
RedSlowPoker: checks
spike8998: bets 2912 and is all-in
RedSlowPoker: calls 2912
*** TURN *** [Ts 7d 2s] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 7d 2s 8d] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RedSlowPoker: shows [Kh Qc] (a pair of Queens)
spike8998: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
RedSlowPoker collected 11974 from pot
spike8998 finished the tournament in 113th place

Was a 4XBB the right bet pre ?
Should I have c-bet instead of the shove ?
Was expecting to see AT tbh

Last edited by spike8998; Mon May 16, 2011 at 05:30 PM..
 
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Mon May 16, 2011, 05:37 PM
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i don't get why the shove
but what i really don't get is why you had to call him an idiot and a donk
and all the ranting for two more hands

good luck

 
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Mon May 16, 2011, 05:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hemetdennis View Post
i don't get why the shove
but what i really don't get is why you had to call him an idiot and a donk
and all the ranting for two more hands

good luck


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Mon May 16, 2011, 05:51 PM
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i said i did not get the shove can you say why ??
and there's no need to call names here or on the table

good luck

 
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Mon May 16, 2011, 05:54 PM
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Mon May 16, 2011, 05:54 PM
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Shove pre.

Or if you are super concerned with points fold pre. You can probably make ITM (or come really close) by folding every hand except KK, AA which you will need to shove.

Putting in half your stack preflop is bad news. Pretty sure he was right to call your tiny flop bet too unless he's certain you have AA, KK, QQ, AK or AQ or some set. This is not a real shove. It's a less than 1/2 pot size bet. So he's getting 3 to 1 odds on a 6 out draw that needs about 3 to 1 odds. Not to mention he'll still have 3000 chips if he loses. I think it's close, but a call. He's already put in way too much to fold with 3 to 1 odds.

Last edited by oriholic; Mon May 16, 2011 at 06:05 PM..
 
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Mon May 16, 2011, 05:57 PM
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Ty Ori

Your responses are always full off good logic and insight

tyvvm
 
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Mon May 16, 2011, 06:08 PM
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Note, you did get him to call with worse. He called with a 3-out draw. So I think you both played the flop correctly. He can't reasonably narrow your range to one he can beat less than 1/4 of the time, especially when he has two over cards. You could have 99 or AT and he's drawing live to 6 outs.

Good luck!
 
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Mon May 16, 2011, 08:14 PM
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I will reply to this tomorrow with some examples cos I was in the hand with Spike and would like to make some valid comments!

TC
 
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Mon May 16, 2011, 09:21 PM
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+1 Ori.
 
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Tue May 17, 2011, 12:02 AM
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I agree. If it's me in that situation... I'm shoving preflop!
 
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Tue May 17, 2011, 10:36 AM
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Ok just got time to get my thoughts together on this one.

PSO before this one I had a healthy stack and got AK just before positive points time in mid position. I went for the min raise. Cut off who was a calling station but always shoved with a pocket pair, (so he was cross between a calling station and a maniac) shoved. I knew he had a pocket pair, but was willing to race. He had 9s and they held and I was out.

Now the next two I actually have hand histories for:

First one Opponent was LPA and had played a lot of speculative hands and was short stacked. I think this was the first raise she had made so I knew she had a hand. The call to her raise was fairly standard and I did not try to isolate because I would actually have been happy with another caller, which is probably warped thinking on my part.


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Same tournament and we are close to the money. Maddog started off very loose but had tightened a lot. I thought about folding the Ks but like oriholic says you should be shoving with Ks or Aces or should you???

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To get to the point getting beat on any highly ranked hand at any point can be a bummer but when your opponent wins or loses with good grace and has played a decent hand then you can live with that.

The point in spike's case is this, he thought it was a bad call by the villain and I tend to agree. I have a read on the guy and he would have called even a preflop shove from Spike with his broadway cards, I have seen him do it before and if he had done so everyone would say it was an atrocious play. I think the killer though was his comment that you live by the shove and die by the shove; not a wonder Spike called him penguin brains

Don't change your game Spike, but do try to get a better read on your opponents. AK is great when it hits or holds but a bummer when it doesn't.

TC
 

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