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Collusion/ chip dumping tarnishes league result - Wed Jun 01, 2011, 01:22 AM
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*********** # 1 **************PokerStars Game #62809317345: Tournament #387020793, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2011/06/01 5:01:35 WET [2011/06/01 0:01:35 ET]Table '387020793 8' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: pentosh (9034 in chips) Seat 2: De Hitman (1500 in chips) Seat 3: TexasHold400 (5604 in chips) Seat 4: Sweetfame (4208 in chips) Seat 5: pucksmack1 (2615 in chips) Seat 6: DRAGO156 (8900 in chips) Seat 7: PkrWeeeh (69194 in chips) Seat 8: dovirg (2130 in chips) pentosh: posts the ante 75De Hitman: posts the ante 75TexasHold400: posts the ante 75Sweetfame: posts the ante 75pucksmack1: posts the ante 75DRAGO156: posts the ante 75PkrWeeeh: posts the ante 75dovirg: posts the ante 75pentosh: posts small blind 400De Hitman: posts big blind 800*** HOLE CARDS ***De Hitman said, "tks m8"TexasHold400 has timed outTexasHold400: folds TexasHold400 is sitting outTexasHold400 has returnedmugsymuppet [observer] said, "gl m8"outcast13 [observer] said, "crying out loud win this pot hitman"Sweetfame: folds wolfguy23 [observer] said, "i,m leading on a final table in my cash just won 1 alittle whiile ago"lisbon roar [observer] said, "gd luck pkr lol"outcast13 [observer] said, "nice"pucksmack1: folds DRAGO156: folds PkrWeeeh: calls 800mugsymuppet [observer] said, "n1 wolf"wolfguy23 [observer] said, "ty"lisbon roar [observer] said, "fishy limp"dovirg: folds pentosh: calls 400Link2me [observer] said, "lol"Link2me [observer] said, "I think he got da nuts"wolfguy23 [observer] said, "i,m no dam good in pso but in cash game i do ok"lisbon roar [observer] said, "7 2 for sure"De Hitman: checks *** FLOP *** [4s 9h Ac]mugsymuppet [observer] said, "lol"Link2me [observer] said, "no he has a hand"pentosh: checks Link2me [observer] said, "this time for sure"6mudzilla6 [observer] said, "same here wolf guy"Link2me [observer] said, "the big stack limp is classic tell"De Hitman: checks PkrWeeeh: checks *** TURN *** [4s 9h Ac] [7c]pentosh: checks pucksmack1 said, "he has a hand"wolfguy23 [observer] said, "he is 1 lucky sic dude"4liv [observer] said, "lol 16 to go"lisbon roar [observer] said, "hope so"De Hitman: checks PkrWeeeh said, "I hope u hit something hitman"PkrWeeeh: checks *** RIVER *** [4s 9h Ac 7c] [5s]pucksmack1 said, "me too"pentosh: checks 6mudzilla6 [observer] said, "LOL"PkrWeeeh said, "I dont want u out"outcast13 [observer] said, "poker god let him win"De Hitman said, "lol 6-8"4liv [observer] said, "good pkr"lisbon roar [observer] said, "another colluder lol"4liv [observer] said, "looooooooooooooooooll"De Hitman: bets 625 and is all-inPkrWeeeh: folds pentosh: folds Uncalled bet (625) returned to De HitmanDe Hitman collected 3000 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3000 | Rake 0 Board [4s 9h Ac 7c 5s]Seat 1: pentosh (small blind) folded on the RiverSeat 2: De Hitman (big blind) collected (3000)Seat 3: TexasHold400 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Sweetfame folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: pucksmack1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: DRAGO156 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: PkrWeeeh folded on the RiverSeat 8: dovirg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
*********** # 1 **************PokerStars Game #62809575124: Tournament #387020793, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2011/06/01 5:18:39 WET [2011/06/01 0:18:39 ET]Table '387020793 8' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: pentosh (5209 in chips) Seat 2: De Hitman (2375 in chips) Seat 3: TexasHold400 (15308 in chips) Seat 4: Sweetfame (1883 in chips) Seat 5: blacksox604 (8505 in chips) Seat 6: DRAGO156 (5320 in chips) Seat 7: PkrWeeeh (71275 in chips) Seat 8: dovirg (4415 in chips) Seat 9: lewis99 (1605 in chips) pentosh: posts the ante 125De Hitman: posts the ante 125TexasHold400: posts the ante 125Sweetfame: posts the ante 125blacksox604: posts the ante 125DRAGO156: posts the ante 125PkrWeeeh: posts the ante 125dovirg: posts the ante 125lewis99: posts the ante 125pentosh: posts small blind 600De Hitman: posts big blind 1200*** HOLE CARDS ***DRAGO156 said, "pkr why dont you just sit out till it gets to 45 m8"TexasHold400 has timed outTexasHold400: folds TexasHold400 is sitting outmugsymuppet [observer] said, "lmao"TexasHold400 has returnedlisbon roar [observer] said, "he could sit most way to ft"Sweetfame: folds blacksox604: folds mugsymuppet [observer] said, "gl hit"DRAGO156: folds De Hitman said, "tks m8"PkrWeeeh said, "I'll bust out as much as I can till hitman gets to itm LOL"PkrWeeeh: calls 1200Link2me [observer] said, "he would rather dunp lol"DRAGO156 said, "he's just pot hungy"Link2me [observer] said, "chip dumping for sure lol"dovirg: folds DRAGO156 said, "hungry*"Link2me [observer] said, "why not min raise then like everyone elses bb's"lisbon roar [observer] said, "yep another gift for hitman"PkrWeeeh said, "lol I wont chip dump Im scared being banned"lewis99: folds pentosh: folds 4liv [observer] said, "lol"lisbon roar [observer] said, "that is what you are doing"wolfguy23 [observer] said, "i won cash game mugs"outcast13 [observer] said, "lol"MENANGAN [observer] said, "hitman u can do it"De Hitman: checks *** FLOP *** [6h Qs Ah]mugsymuppet [observer] said, "wtg wolf m8 n1"mugsymuppet [observer] said, "lisbon what u on about"Link2me [observer] said, "yeah only because this guy is dumping to him"lisbon roar [observer] said, "wd hitman you made it"De Hitman: checks PkrWeeeh: checks *** TURN *** [6h Qs Ah] [2c]6mudzilla6 [observer] said, "send me a looney dude "wolfguy23 [observer] said, "i could"De Hitman: checks PkrWeeeh: checks *** RIVER *** [6h Qs Ah 2c] [6c]6mudzilla6 [observer] said, "right on"Link2me [observer] said, "say your hand and shove agian"Link2me [observer] said, "so he can fold"4liv [observer] said, "no"De Hitman: checks lisbon roar [observer] said, "the guy has dumped chips to hitman last couple round of blinds"PkrWeeeh: folds mugsymuppet [observer] said, "no"De Hitman collected 4125 from potLink2me [observer] said, "its not obvious at all eh"De Hitman: shows [4s 4h] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 4125 | Rake 0 Board [6h Qs Ah 2c 6c]Seat 1: pentosh (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: De Hitman (big blind) collected (4125)Seat 3: TexasHold400 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Sweetfame folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: blacksox604 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: DRAGO156 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: PkrWeeeh folded on the RiverSeat 8: dovirg folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: lewis99 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 01:54 AM
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My eyes hurt after reading that.

Hopefully you sent this to Pokerstars support.

You should send it to PSO as well, since they should be made aware of what goes on in their league games. However, they've shown absolutely no interest in making sure everyone plays by the rules, so you'd probably be wasting your time.

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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:02 AM
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It has been sent to pso and they sent it on to pokerstars who are investigating. I am in a rage even tho i won $1000 that is bad but beat by cheating stinks.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:18 AM
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I cant read it.....
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:22 AM
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I cant read it.....

But even though you are a rangers fan I may have something that hopefully I saved from earlier that may interest you.

TC
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:26 AM
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I cant read it.....

But even though you are a rangers fan I may have something that hopefully I saved from earlier that may interest you.

TC
Hope this is a joke bad enough getting cheated without being called a rangers fan too.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:31 AM
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The rangers fan was a joke but the other bit was not.

I need to check my german email which is down at the mo but I am nearly certain i sent an hand to my mail where a party said to everyone else he needed to finish 3rd to earn more than 2 points when he was ITM. i believe that you were at the table as well.

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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:32 AM
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PokerStars Game #62809575124: Tournament #387020793, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2011/05/31 21:18:39 PT [2011/06/01 0:18:39 ET]
Table '387020793 8' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: pentosh (5209 in chips)
Seat 2: De Hitman (2375 in chips)
Seat 3: TexasHold400 (15308 in chips)
Seat 4: Sweetfame (1883 in chips)
Seat 5: blacksox604 (8505 in chips)
Seat 6: DRAGO156 (5320 in chips)
Seat 7: PkrWeeeh (71275 in chips)
Seat 8: dovirg (4415 in chips)
Seat 9: lewis99 (1605 in chips)
pentosh: posts the ante 125
De Hitman: posts the ante 125
TexasHold400: posts the ante 125
Sweetfame: posts the ante 125
blacksox604: posts the ante 125
DRAGO156: posts the ante 125
PkrWeeeh: posts the ante 125
dovirg: posts the ante 125
lewis99: posts the ante 125
pentosh: posts small blind 600
De Hitman: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
DRAGO156 said, "pkr why dont you just sit out till it gets to 45 m8"
TexasHold400 has timed out
TexasHold400: folds
TexasHold400 is sitting out
TexasHold400 has returned
Sweetfame: folds
blacksox604: folds
DRAGO156: folds
De Hitman said, "tks m8"
PkrWeeeh said, "I'll bust out as much as I can till hitman gets to itm LOL"
PkrWeeeh: calls 1200
DRAGO156 said, "he's just pot hungy"
dovirg: folds
DRAGO156 said, "hungry*"
PkrWeeeh said, "lol I wont chip dump Im scared being banned"
lewis99: folds
pentosh: folds
De Hitman: checks
*** FLOP *** [6h Qs Ah]
De Hitman: checks
PkrWeeeh: checks
*** TURN *** [6h Qs Ah] [2c]
De Hitman: checks
PkrWeeeh: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h Qs Ah 2c] [6c]
De Hitman: checks
PkrWeeeh: folds
De Hitman collected 4125 from pot
De Hitman: shows [4s 4h] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4125 | Rake 0
Board [6h Qs Ah 2c 6c]
Seat 1: pentosh (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: De Hitman (big blind) collected (4125)
Seat 3: TexasHold400 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Sweetfame folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: blacksox604 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DRAGO156 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: PkrWeeeh folded on the River
Seat 8: dovirg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lewis99 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:34 AM
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Looking pretty conclusive I think!!!!!

And then pokerweeh sat out hands at the table he was moved to as you may remember Cookies.

TC

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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:40 AM
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These two hands were surrounded by at least 3x raises any position any two cards by pkr.

Also first hand included the pkr stating he hoped de hitman had connected and also he didnt want him out to add insult to injury goes on to say "I dont want to effect the top ranks"

Last edited by lisbon roar; Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 02:43 AM..
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:52 AM
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Lisbon,

I will send the hand histories if they were sent to my mail. Although not direct evidence of collusion, they demonstrate a willingness to blatantly lie to achieve more points: I had a situation today where three players discussed sharing the blinds but other players then removed themselves from sitting out before they could enact it.

Higher points for any of these players meant higher positions in the league and more money, quite honestly it is disgraceful and these types of players should be automatically banned with no recourse.

Having said that, I have sent similar instances to Pokerstars before with Hand Histories and they always come back with " further to our investigations we can find no conclusive evidence of collusion" so unfortunately despite what all of us can see, you may not win this one.

At least you played fair and square and as a man of some years I can tell you it all evens you in the long run and Karma is a real bitch.

TC
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 02:58 AM
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If karma works il cruise to my 500 dollars next month no prob doubt that tho. As for action from stars I wont hold my breath as De Hitman clearly wasnt reprimanded properly for his last act of collusion he was still willing to state what he had first hand.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 03:04 AM
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aye he aint worthy enough to be a bear . but even though he's a tim u don't deserve to be cheated roar!!! hopefully stars will rectify it m8 good luck with that. well done for the finish m8 i've got our 54 titles to keep e happy.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 03:18 AM
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It must be bad if a rangers fan is behind me on this.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 03:20 AM
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Actually it may well have been Steve that was there, it's difficult to for us Northern Irish to differentiate who supports who in Scotland. All ye jocks look the same

In any case cheating to win is a big giant no no and this month's league has been tarnished by this behaviour. Top of the league in name only and known cheater to everyone that frequents PSO.

F uckin shame on you Hitman.

TC

Edit

When a Tim , a Hun and a Fenian all agree on the same thing then you can be sure a great wrong has been done.


TC

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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 03:23 AM
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Hope this is a joke bad enough getting cheated without being called a rangers fan too.
This is shocking, YOUR NOT A RANGERS FAN, Who knew ?? Oh and the other thing is bad for the league....
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 03:28 AM
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He just wanted your chips Gate, no collusion there
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 03:31 AM
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don't think its fair cheating u won the league off your own back not through collusion! plus extra incentive for me next month to take ur crown just started a new job so couldn't play the last couple of days was ready to play the last 2 but fell asleep not used to working again lol. off to work now so gl with stars and looking forward to the battle this month
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 03:34 AM
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There at least two others he has cheated and cost big money but he has effectively cheated the 5000+ that took part in May even if you take out the lesser skilled players shall we say there are still well over a thousand who take it serious.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 03:46 AM
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And his offering for 5$ for the best player in the league is pretty derisory considering he cheated you out of 500$ and possibly DR3, Tollbar, Dussan and others in the top ten 10 out of much larger amounts.

Total scumbag IMHO.

And DR3, if you had played you would have won it. I still think you are the most talented player I have seen playing here, you just need to believe it yourself.

Signing out,

TC
 

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