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Phil Ivey Not playing wsop - Wed Jun 01, 2011, 05:54 AM
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Interesting hearing about Phil Ivey standing up for players not getting paid on the ``site that shall not be mentioned``.

http://news.bluffmagazine.com/phil-i...ng-wsop-20981/

Here`s a sample of what he has said for those that don`t feel like reading the entire article,

``I am deeply disappointed and embarrassed that Full Tilt players have not been paid money they are owed. I am equally embarrassed that as a result many players cannot compete in tournaments and have suffered economic harm. I am not playing in the World Series of Poker as I do not believe it is fair that I compete when others cannot. I am doing everything I can to seek a solution to the problem as quickly as possible.``

Has any1 heard of any other well known pro`s protesting this years wsop?
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 06:22 AM
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I'm impressed with him, he's a class act. I think he's probably hoping that this causes "the site" to find a way of paying out the players before the WSOP main event starts, and if they do he will probably register and play.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 06:34 AM
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I found this comment interesting:

Bryan says:
June 1, 2011 at 1:32 am
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Wow. All I can see is a guy who is stabbing the people who made him ungodly rich in the back so that he can look good when they all look like ****. Way to jump ship, your lawsuit will do nothing to get people paid out faster and will probably only hinder the process. People need to chill out, its only been 6 weeks! Neteller took 9 months, and honestly, and playing in the post UIGEA world, I have no sympathy for delays in payouts, nor can I get mad about my money frozen.
There were a few more interesting comments, including someone giving the 'get a real job' speech. This one gives a pretty fair counterarguement, though.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 07:00 AM
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Yeah there are some interesting arguments on either side. I personally think that if Ftilt really does end up shafting its american players as it is appearing.... then they deserve all the backstabbing they get

Tom Dwans approach though,

"I'll be playing wsop. Feel fine about that morally b/c I've already said I'll give back 100% I ws paid by ftp if players aren't paid in full"

He obviously doesn't have to do this but a very nice gesture. I don't think any of these pro's should "feel" obligated to give back. He was earning a living, plain and simple.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 07:04 AM
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I am withdrawing from the WSOP this year on the same grounds as Ivey
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by topthecat View Post
I am withdrawing from the WSOP this year on the same grounds as Ivey



lol

You are a true inspiration to us all. May your moral compass maintain a steady course in all your endeavours.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 07:57 AM
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Thank you Sens,

Your words are very much appreciated

TC
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2011, 10:41 AM
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His full statement is here:

http://www.philivey.com/
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 12:48 AM
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The plot thickens

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/0...suit-10506.htm
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 01:54 AM
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The article says that Ivey is suing for $150 million? Wow. Regardless of the merit of Ivey's case, Tilt is not looking good to me right now. Even if their defense to Ivey's allegations is rock-solid, the tone of their response is just horrible given that they're looking pretty shady as an organization to begin with. I have a feeling that if Tilt gets back to the US market, its customer base will be significantly smaller than it would have been if not for the cashout issue.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 06:00 AM
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This could get really nasty after tiltware's issued statement.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 07:27 AM
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Phil Ivey I heard of this for the first time Sunday night, but wasn't sure what I'd put when I posted it.

Since then, I've had a chance to maul it over in the hatrack, and I still have mixed feelings. This is a true class player with a big following, and because of that, I applaud him, but on the other hand, you don't just not play the biggest Series in poker. This would be like D Wayne Lukas withdrawing a horse from the triple crown because a horse should have got there, but didn't. You don't give up on your dreams because someone else can't chase their dreams.

Anyways, who keeps all their eggs in 1 basket?

Like I said, mixed feelings. A nice gesture, but really, is it going to get any of these players paid out, not likely, but it may slow the process, as now FT has to lay out cash for lawyers to fight this thing, tying up more of their money, don't know what he was thinking.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 07:34 AM
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Glad to see one of the biggest names in poker is willing to speak up and take a stand for the 'small guy' he had my respect as a player but now as a person nice to see
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 07:46 AM
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Like I said, mixed feelings. A nice gesture, but really, is it going to get any of these players paid out, not likely, but it may slow the process, as now FT has to lay out cash for lawyers to fight this thing, tying up more of their money, don't know what he was thinking.

I think I am in the same boat stake. My initial reaction was something along the lines of "Cool someone sticking up for the folks who got shafted". However, the more I read into it, the more confused I get. This actually seems to be achieving the exact opposite of what he says his intentions were.

I officially admit I have no idea if his intentions were purely selfless or completely selfish
I think after years of watching the news and seeing all the greed on this planet, I am truly confused as to where people stand any more. I think I will file this one under the "I hope his intentions were pure" category and cross my fingers for all the American victims in this mess who stand to lose significant money.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 11:56 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/user/QuadJacksdotcom
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 12:44 PM
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Catchy song. That's gotta be the umpteenth lyrical reworking of 'We Didn't Start the Fire' I've heard. Always fun to listen to.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 12:59 PM
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lol good song
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 05:25 PM
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thought some peeps might like to hear tilt's reply. I copied and pasted from POKER NEWS GLOBAL




With that said, here is Tiltware’s statement in its entirety:

“Contrary to his sanctimonious public statements, Phil Ivey’s meritless lawsuit is about helping just one player – himself. In an effort to further enrich himself at the expense of others, Mr. Ivey appears to have timed his lawsuit to thwart pending deals with several parties that would put money back in players’ pockets. In fact, Mr. Ivey has been invited -- and has declined -- to take actions that could assist the company in these efforts, including paying back a large sum of money he owes the site. Tiltware doubts Mr. Ivey’s frivolous and self-serving lawsuit will ever get to court. But if it does, the company looks forward to presenting facts demonstrating that Mr. Ivey is putting his own narrow financial interests ahead of the players he professes to help.”


Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/0...suit-10506.htm
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 05:57 PM
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sorry for the re-post, didn't see in 1rst thread. sorry all
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2011, 06:11 PM
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SO HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK HE OWES THEM

 

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