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Looking for some Omaha Love - Fri Jun 03, 2011, 10:28 AM
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Hi all,

Anyone have Omaha experience to offer on this hand?

Situation is table is very tight pre flop, almost no raising and not a ton of limpers.

Also tight post flop with people often checking it round when the board is scary. Single bets often winning it.

Pre flop Villain raises which makes me think immediately AA or KK

Flop is OK for me but I figure I'm behind, decide to call 1 street. Figuring villain is on AA, KK and or possibly the nut flush draw. Figuring a 7 or 10 or non club Q wins it for me giving only 7 outs.

When he bets again on the turn I decide its time to bug out, of course what comes on the river.......


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Fri Jun 03, 2011, 03:43 PM
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for omaha hands, especially UTG, I want to have some sort of pair with at least one, if not 2 big flush draws (flush to A or K) or 2 pair. I'd have folded it preflop.

You were right in putting them on KK and if so, you've got 3 outs. A 7 or 10 gives you a full house, but it will be the bottom full house.

Being in the hand, I think you have to muck it, because with only 3 outs, you have nowhere the pot odds you need to call their bet.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2011, 12:21 PM
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you should have folded either preflop or on the flop. flopping that two pair kept you in it when it was dead the whole time to opp's set of kings. now all u have is 3 outs to the nut straight and 8 outs to the third nut flush - any clubs ur opps have (didn't check that). seeing how tight this table is, you probably don't have any implied value if u hit ur hand on the turn, b/c ur opps. will just check and fold. this is one of those situations where u went fishing for a big pot but came up empty b/c u were forced to fold to a tight player who only plays the nuts AND only bets the pot.
 
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?? - Tue Jun 07, 2011, 12:44 PM
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I dont play much plo- yet watch alot lately- and i think a double suited , 3 to str8-twice hand-- like that is a great starting hand- in a full ring- 36 cards are gone on the deal- pretty much evry card left in the deck is working for this hand-- sooooo many outs-- ida played it same- yet took it to shodown-- as your outs- in all cases are to the effective nuts- unless you put him on exactly KK----

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Tue Jun 07, 2011, 02:37 PM
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you should have folded either preflop or on the flop. flopping that two pair kept you in it when it was dead the whole time to opp's set of kings. now all u have is 3 outs to the nut straight and 8 outs to the third nut flush - any clubs ur opps have (didn't check that). seeing how tight this table is, you probably don't have any implied value if u hit ur hand on the turn, b/c ur opps. will just check and fold. this is one of those situations where u went fishing for a big pot but came up empty b/c u were forced to fold to a tight player who only plays the nuts AND only bets the pot.
+1, this is a very marginal EP hand, and given the tight nature of the table it should just be folded. Definitely playable in LP though, where you add a lot of semi-bluff and steal value strictly due to position vs. the tight table.

Post flop when the tight player bombs it you're hand is garbage, he's either going to have KK (with or without a better flush draw) or AA with the nut flush draw. Otherwise he'd check as you've noted the play goes at this table. This is why the holding is so marginal in EP and should just be discarded preflop... it makes a lot of 2nd best hands and flops few strong draws.
 
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?? - Tue Jun 07, 2011, 03:47 PM
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Just curious Dave-- where does the KK56- single suited- rate on your opening hand starting ranges-?-- worthy of a mp- 3x raise in PLO__--??? i like that A 10 J 7 double suited- straightening hand a lil more-- am i wrong here??
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2011, 04:02 PM
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Just curious Dave-- where does the KK56- single suited- rate on your opening hand starting ranges-?-- worthy of a mp- 3x raise in PLO__--??? i like that A 10 J 7 double suited- straightening hand a lil more-- am i wrong here??
KK56 is pretty weak too, it's common for hold'em players to overvalue AAxx and KKxx, which isn't really much in omaha unless you flop a set or can get enough money in preflop to commit profitably post. (In the case of KKxx, maybe not even that as if you start 100bb's or so deep many opponents who get that much in with you pre will have AAxx every time). AJT7ds has a bit more post flop playability than KK56ss does. As to which I'd rather have though, given that they're both marginal, my answer is: Which ever one is in position.
 
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?? - Tue Jun 07, 2011, 04:14 PM
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Ty Dave- in watchin PLO - alot-- i have noticed that position is of even more importance than it is holdem-- on that note- hi- stakes poker has recently added PLO- in its broadcasts- and when doing so- they show the hole cards in a 4 color deck- i always wondered why there was that 4 color deck option on stars - and now i know- tried using it in a couple micro HU matches- and it does help-- obv. an online option only-- but hey- i like learnin new stuff--

P.S- have seen Galfond fold monster hands in nlhe- and now i know why-- - guess he make most of his cash at plo---

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Tue Jun 07, 2011, 08:43 PM
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actually the 4 color deck was invented years ago and first used in live poker. It never caught on obviously and I don't even know if any casinos or card rooms use it today. But it was added as an option online which obviously is super easy to offer there, and some people like to use it.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2011, 02:17 AM
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I like the hand in position. Lots of post-flop playability and nut hand potential. UTG isn't in position though. With a table of super nits it might be good for a raise pre, or a limp in a loose passive fishy table, but from UTG folding is still probably your best option.

Especially with only 57 BBs...what's up with that?
 

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