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Good play/bad play? - Mon Jun 13, 2011, 08:23 AM
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 09:06 AM
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Your loss was unlucky and probably inevitable, however, your play was (imo) not great.

First is the PFR - you don't want to modify your pfr with hand strength (makes you too easy to read) so you should have a standard raise, like 3BB or something, and stick to it. Maybe modify a little for limpers but 300 with 15/30 blinds is like a red flag for any half-intelligent player.

Second, never bet 300 into a 600 pot. You were heads up with a probable donk; slowplay isn't the way to go in this case. Plus the board was pretty wet; you want to put him off his draws. An opening of 900 wouldn't have put him off his QJ but it might to a smarter opponent, or maybe someone holding one of the two lower pairs.

Finally, on a flop like this you have to decide if you're ready to risk all your chips on an overpair. You're playing a field of donks so it's a tricky decision, but you have to consider that you could put him on any two face cards and 88+, including straights and sets.

It's your decision I guess. Maybe early, against a field like this, it's actually better to shove preflop -- I don't know. Here your hand should have been good, but your play won't protect you against better players -- but again, you tend to assume people in these freerolls are idiots, so it's a difficult call.

Hope this helps a little

JF
 
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?? - Mon Jun 13, 2011, 09:38 AM
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 11:02 AM
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I disagree entirely preflop, jf70.
You absolutely have to raise more early with a premium hand, it's the only way you'd get any respect at all in the tourney. A raise to 90 will keep in every single calling station and they're the ones you want to get out of the pot. I like the raise to 300, as I try to raise to 250-300 in all of those spots.

flop: I'd have bet more leading out, probably in the pot-sized range. The only hands you could be behind now are KJ, Q10, Q9 or a set and those all could be in their range... so I want to bet more to see where I am. When they push back, I'd like to have a read on them to help determine to stay or not... but if they're a LAG calling station, I'm definitely calling and hoping they don't have one of those hands. I'd typically rule out the set, as they didn't push back preflop.

when the cards flip over, I'd be happy as can be to see QJ. That means they only have 6 outs (four 8's and two Q's), making me a 3-1 favorite.

The river's just bad luck and unfortunately those beats will happen. You got your chips in as a 3-1 favorite and if you consistantly do that, you'll end up ahead in the long run.

P.S. I would not shove it preflop. Everyone has way too deep a stack to be doing that and will fold, so all you'd win is the blinds... and you want to maximize value with it.
 
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 12:11 PM
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I disagree entirely preflop, jf70.
You absolutely have to raise more early with a premium hand, it's the only way you'd get any respect at all in the tourney. A raise to 90 will keep in every single calling station and they're the ones you want to get out of the pot. I like the raise to 300, as I try to raise to 250-300 in all of those spots.
Fair enough, 90 is weak in the FB freeroll. But 250-300 is way too strong I think in the second level of blinds. 10 big blinds?? It just doesn't look rational. Not a raise you'd make with a lot of other hands, not even AJ or AQ or TT. A good player does that I have them pegged at QQ+, AK.
 
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 01:08 PM
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I agree that varying your preflop raise sizing, in particular to this extreme, is highly exploitable. But it's ok to take an exploitable line if your opponents won't exploit it. And in an event like this I would expect the vast majority of opponents not to exploit it (by folding some very good but dominated hands). The villain in this hand certainly didn't, he made a horrific call preflop.
 

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