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Query re fixed limit course - Sun Jun 19, 2011, 07:26 PM
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http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...Hold-em?page=2

states that you should call 0,1,2,3 etc if the corresponding number or MORE have entered the pot. Is this correct? This would mean that say for late position , and your cards are QJ same suit, if no one has entered the pot yet you raise, and if 3 or more have, you call. Therefore, you fold if just one or two enter the pot, you fold? I just don't understand this logic. Have a l misunderstood?
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2011, 09:22 PM
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Hi Emma, and welcome to the pso and the forum.

I'm no expert in limit HE, but in looking at the lesson, look at the previous page, #3 and #4, and I think it may help explain it.
There is better expected value in your hand if you are up against 3 or more players, or none, rather than 1 or 2.
Expected value is something that takes a while to get. Let's just say that, in order to make this play profitable in the long run, (over many identical hands) you should play a certain way, and you can "expect" to get a certain value for that play.

The reasoning in this particular play is that a suited QJ just wins better money against more players, than if it is isolated against only 1 or 2.

Let's look at it this way. You hold QJs and you're in the cutoff, which is one to the right of the button, and no one has entered the pot, so you raise. The button has the AQ and calls, and the blinds fold. Now the AQ is roughly a 70-30 favorite over the QJ suited. Pretty awful odds for the QJ.
But, if the two blinds call and now we have 4 in the hand, let's say the sb has 77 and the bb has 9Ten suited.
Now the AQ is only roughly 30 percent likely to win the hand, the rest fall down...sb is 25%, and bb is 23.4... to about 22 percent for the QJs. The difference for the QJ is obvious. You now are only 8 percent less a favorite than the AQ..and all four hands are between 20 to 30 percent to win the hand. And, since there is more money in the pot with more players, you have better value to call with with these odds, and this pot, than if you called and it was just you and the big ol' AQ.
It would be the same if you were on the button, and the AQ raised from before you, then you would want to fold, rather than be against only one player, should the blinds fold. But if it comes to you on the button, and 3 are in, you now have a good expected value, to call and see a flop.

Does that help a little?

I think this is just a great question, it can get a lot more in depth, and like I said, I'm no expert, so I'm gonna send a pm to one of resident experts..JD, so get your reading glasses out, because when he responds, he reeeeeespooonds.
Just kiddin Dave, lemme know how I did here Sausage King!

Last edited by !!!111Dan; Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 10:21 PM.. Reason: redo the example hand
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2011, 07:05 AM
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Thank you Dan, that has helped to explain things.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2011, 09:55 AM
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Good deal...not sure why JD hasn't responded. Ususally he would give you ALL the math involved.

Well don't be a stranger here Emma.

I think you'll get better responses in the general forum for further questions. Unfortunately, I don't think all our members visit the beginner's questions one.
 

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