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Is this chip dumping - Sun Jun 26, 2011, 08:56 AM
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I have sent this Hand History to PokerStars asking them this question

PokerStars Game #63803600413: Tournament #398677934, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/06/26 8:12:30 ET
Table '398677934 240' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 171280 (5290 in chips)
Seat 2: Balya_Balya (3890 in chips)
Seat 3: pepiiii10 (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: BlufferHarry (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: alynush18 (3000 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Bill Curran (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: suchka30 (1390 in chips)
Seat 8: caliteros (1430 in chips)
Seat 9: Frostok (1400 in chips)
Balya_Balya: posts small blind 15
pepiiii10: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bill Curran [Qs 9c]
BlufferHarry: folds
alynush18: folds
Bill Curran: folds
suchka30: calls 30
caliteros: folds
Frostok: folds
171280: raises 1050 to 1080
Balya_Balya: folds
pepiiii10: folds
suchka30: raises 310 to 1390 and is all-in
171280: folds
Uncalled bet (310) returned to suchka30
suchka30 collected 2205 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2205 | Rake 0
Seat 1: 171280 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Balya_Balya (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: pepiiii10 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: BlufferHarry folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: alynush18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bill Curran folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: suchka30 collected (2205)
Seat 8: caliteros folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Frostok folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Both these players are from the Ukraine, that is as far as my ability to player search takes me.
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 09:14 AM
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looks pretty obvious to me that it is.. good catch Bill
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 10:48 AM
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Definitely a chip dump Bill. Open and shut case. The common nationality of the two players just nails it for me.
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 11:11 AM
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Just received an E.mail from support.

They are launching a FULL investigation into relationships etc of the players involved and asking for proof of identity.

This could take up to 2 weeks.

They will let me know the outcome.
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 11:17 AM
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looks like ya bagged a few Bill
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 11:35 AM
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I presume this wasn't a PSO game ?
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 02:21 PM
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Facebook Poker League Freeroll Darkman
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 04:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkman61 View Post
I presume this wasn't a PSO game ?

No it wasn't , but we are getting a lot of Eastern Europeans joining, so just being vigilant.
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 08:39 PM
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It certainly looks like a possible chip dump, and the same country of origin is more circumstantial evidence. I would say there's a high probability it is a chip dump

But let's not jump to conclusions, the probability is not 100%, we don't have all the facts. PokerStars is doing a full investigation, so they WILL have all the facts. Hole cards. How often they played together. If this has happened before. More specific location. Etc.

There are actually 2 legitimate reasons a player might fold to the shove there.

1) misclick
2) they're an idiot

Granted, those don't seem likely in this case, but they are not impossible. And before you read #2 and say c'mon, no one is that ridiculous, I just saw it LAST NIGHT.... in a live cash game (1-3 blinds). lol Limped pot, player bets 10 into 18 on the flop and gets called. On the turn he bets 20 and gets check-raised to 100. He calls, leaving himself $12 behind. The opponent bets the river and he snap folds. I guess he missed a draw and had something like 5 high, whatever. It was no mystery that he want through 6x $200 buy ins before leaving. #2 happens.

Again for clarity, it does look like a chip dump and TY to Bill for reporting it. Just saying, if Stars comes back clearing them, remember it IS possible that this was an innocent circumstance.
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 10:42 PM
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1) misclick ;
This has happened to me many times, (specially if playing 2-3 tables at once exp; PSO, astronomer freerolls etc)
Another type of misclick is when some times I'm just about to check the check/call or the bet/raise check box, its changed to all in or raise (when speeds around to your turn again every one has either clicked check box's, too ), dam i think that's what i wasn't planing to do, some times i have won, but most time i haven't (I think people must think I'm Idiot for that call lol)
so now i mostly wait to its my turn before fold/check/raise

all thee best of luck/skill

Last edited by 0HighTimes0; Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 11:17 PM..
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2011, 11:47 PM
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is this

 
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Mon Jun 27, 2011, 12:12 AM
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What are we supposed to be looking at. The fact that you tried to give your chips away and failed ?
 
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Mon Jun 27, 2011, 10:13 AM
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Spike - It looks like you misclicked before finishing your sentence!

Like Dman, I am confused. Nice that you caught the flush on the river, but not sure how the hand fits into the thread.

Would you clarify for us please?

Herk
 
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Mon Jun 27, 2011, 11:54 AM
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I was being obtuse
about my failure to get rid of all my chips
Hey D'man
Like you wouldn't have shoved in my position with a suited A with just over 3xbb left
 
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Mon Jun 27, 2011, 02:35 PM
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I may well have done actually

The strange thing about the skill league is that there are times when it makes more sense to shove with a weak hand from early position than it would from the button
 
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Mon Jun 27, 2011, 05:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkman61 View Post
I may well have done actually

The strange thing about the skill league is that there are times when it makes more sense to shove with a weak hand from early position than it would from the button

Very true

Did it last night with 740 chips nearly 2 hrs in and was gonna be blinded out before the bubble
Ended up tripling up plus the blinds n antes for 5k
Got itm n finished 17th
 

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