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Good fold?bad fold? - Mon Jun 27, 2011, 03:28 PM
BARRYDOGG378's Avatar
Since: Jul 2010
Posts: 132
Early in the tourney,the turn was scarey and the river was scarier,in hindsight,the same players,pushing every hand,and its his first game of month,DOGG GONE
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*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #63855310491: Tournament #397948326, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/06/28 7:11:22 NZT [2011/06/27 15:11:22 ET]
Table '397948326 12' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: malau_moris (1350 in chips)
Seat 2: Tuff4u (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: tiggastripe (1790 in chips)
Seat 4: Mega11os (2850 in chips)
Seat 5: BARRYDOGG378 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: argenariel (1240 in chips)
Seat 7: bosstery (1880 in chips)
Seat 8: kretsu76 (1440 in chips)
Seat 9: bigjock186 (1480 in chips) is sitting out
bigjock186: posts small blind 15
malau_moris: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BARRYDOGG378 [Kd Ks]
Tuff4u has timed out
Tuff4u: folds
Tuff4u is sitting out
tiggastripe: calls 30
Mega11os: folds
BARRYDOGG378: raises 90 to 120
Tuff4u has returned
argenariel: folds
bosstery: folds
kretsu76: folds
bigjock186: folds
malau_moris: calls 90
tiggastripe: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [6h 7d Tc]
malau_moris: bets 30
tiggastripe: calls 30
BARRYDOGG378: raises 120 to 150
malau_moris: calls 120
tiggastripe: folds
*** TURN *** [6h 7d Tc] [9c]
malau_moris: checks
BARRYDOGG378: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 7d Tc 9c] [Ah]
malau_moris: bets 1080 and is all-in
BARRYDOGG378: folds
Uncalled bet (1080) returned to malau_moris
malau_moris collected 705 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 705 | Rake 0
Board [6h 7d Tc 9c Ah]
Seat 1: malau_moris (big blind) collected (705)
Seat 2: Tuff4u folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tiggastripe folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Mega11os folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BARRYDOGG378 folded on the River
Seat 6: argenariel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: bosstery folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kretsu76 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bigjock186 (small blind) folded before Flop

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Last edited by BARRYDOGG378; Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 04:02 PM.. Reason: CAN YOU DELETE THIS POST PLEASE
Mon Jun 27, 2011, 04:44 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,861
I'd have raised more preflop, to 200-250. Yes, you raised to 3BB, but with the BB that low, nobody is going to respect a std raise.
I like the raise on the flop, but you need to follow it up on the turn. You don't want them drawing at something that can beat you... which is exactly what happens on the river with the A. You need to bet at least what you did on the flop, again on the turn. If you fire the next barrel on the turn, you SHOULD get ace/rag to fold... but this early, you never know.

You absolutely needed to muck with the river shove and did that correctly.
Mon Jun 27, 2011, 08:00 PM
oriholic's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 751
I like your preflop raise. Enough to build a pot but not enough that you get committed if the board turns bad.

I wouldn't be that worried about an ace there on the river. I mean, sure it's possible, but what's he doing with an ace here? A6, A7, AT, A9?

The flop is pretty scary, even with your overpair. I like your raising on the flop. It's really just a c-bet as you really can't call betting 30 into a 400 chip pot a bet. Raise his goofy min donkbet. I think you should have bet 250 to 300 here but with such a scary board, betting small to keep the pot under control is not bad either.

I think checking behind on the turn is the best play. There's 4 to a straight on a board that absolutely smashes calling ranges.. Keep the pot small. 67, 86, 87, 88, 89, T9, T8, T7, and even slow-played 66, 77, 88, 99, TT all beat you, all make sense, and are far more likely than an ace.

Him shoving the ace looks like he's hoping you've stayed in with an ace and will pay off his monster hand. If he actually has an ace here it's a horrible bet (other than A8 LDO although he would have a blocker to you having an ace so maybe not so LDO, haha). I mean really terrible.

By checking behind on the turn you generally will induce bluffs on the river. You should usually be prepared to call river bluffs. Especially on river aces! The thing is...he's almost never bluffing here and your KK can only beat a bluff. It's unfortunate you lost some chips, but you made the right choice folding KK.
TY - Mon Jun 27, 2011, 10:15 PM
BARRYDOGG378's Avatar
Since: Jul 2010
Posts: 132
TY,for your fine comments,i think i was dead on the turn,but as yous said,i couldnt,check into aye pot of 400,had to see where i was?and once he called,i was behind,slowly i learn,used to be impossible for me to throw KK ,Aand AA,even when i had the feeling they where crushed,DOGG GONE
Mon Jun 27, 2011, 10:54 PM
oriholic's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 751
Originally Posted by BARRYDOGG378 View Post
,i think i was dead on the turn,but as yous said,i couldnt,check into aye pot of 400,had to see where i was
No, you really didn't. Checking is the right play. It's pot control, and on a board this scary you need it. That is, unless you want to commit your entire stack with an over pair on a terrifying board. I know I wouldn't.....especially in PSO.

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