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follow up from the first hand posted - Mon Jun 27, 2011, 06:37 PM
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i justed posted a hand and had it evaluated,so now i am short stacke,get ace 9 and think maybe get lucky and win one

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SPLIT ,i have had so many splitt pots ,usually i have had the better kicker but i should be happy,


same player puts me out is my play now realy this bad

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i fought so hard last night and held on for a 9th place and tonight ,i am back with big losses and another minus ,was i too impatient

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Mon Jun 27, 2011, 09:06 PM
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The first one, I can understand trying to get some chips with top pair... although I'd have pushed preflop if I was going to play the hand.
The 2nd one, I'm letting go of. I think it was JD that said "don't go broke with a hand you wouldn't raise preflop with". Yes, you can see the flop for free, but with as many in the pot as there were, more than likely, you're outkicked. If I'd have wanted to play it, I'd have pushed preflop.
 
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Mon Jun 27, 2011, 10:12 PM
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1st hand you can't push preflop unless you think one of the players will reraise to isolate. And if he does that, you're usually dominated, so not a great spot either, though at least there's a lot of dead money to help you. A9 offsuit is going to have a lot of trouble winning a 4-way pot. With the huge pot odds I'm probably completing the SB with A9, although that's pretty much throwing precious chips away most of the time, especially being out of position like that. No problem checking the flop. When I hit the turn definitely shoving.

2nd hand, you really can't push preflop, check here always. On the flop, you have 2 BBs and a pair....top pair! Have to shove here. The pot represents too big an increase in your stack for you to fold here. You're not "going broke in a limp pot"...you were broke before the hand began! A lot of worse hands will call you here. He can call with a 10 or pocket eights or KJ or J9 or a stupidly played AJ or AK, etc. Even if you get called by a hand that has you outkicked like QJ you can still hit your kicker. It's a super weak backup draw, but it's still a few outs usually. (You're pretty much screwed against a hand like QT or even Q4). Now, if you're last to act on the flop and there's a bet and a raise or even a bet and a call you can fold, but first to act I think you have to take your chances with 2BBs.
 
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Tue Jun 28, 2011, 03:23 AM
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The first one, I can understand trying to get some chips with top pair... although I'd have pushed preflop if I was going to play the hand.
The 2nd one, I'm letting go of. I think it was JD that said "don't go broke with a hand you wouldn't raise preflop with". Yes, you can see the flop for free, but with as many in the pot as there were, more than likely, you're outkicked. If I'd have wanted to play it, I'd have pushed preflop.
The quote was: "Never go Broke in a limped pot". (Same/same, you were close enough JWK! )

...and I got that from a TJ Cloutier lecture at the 2007 PSO Convention in Las Vegas.

Great advice.

Who knows, if you jam your A9 in hand #1, the guy who LIMPED A9s might consider the raise to be too big to play a hand he only wanted to limp (doubtful, but possible). You never gave him the chance to fold though...

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