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Choke points - Tue Jul 12, 2011, 05:30 AM
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Has anyone worked out the 'Choke Points' for this new League ?

Or is this a mute question ? as it will probably change again for August.

The reason I ask is that a Player played in the 13:00 tourney on the 8th July with a starting score of 1,735.74 and picked up 78.05 points for finishing in 54th place.

The the same Player, played in the 17:00 tourney the same day ( which is the very next tourney ) and finished in 14th place for a score of 78.26 points.

40 places higher, but just 0.21 points better off.

Is Cyclist around ?

 
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Tue Jul 12, 2011, 07:35 AM
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HI Bill

Haven't got a clue
But here is an example of one of my finishes

Field 10,0000
Hand-for-Hand 1440
My finish 1292
So one would presume I scored a few positive points , maybe!
points before tourney 2442.36
points after tourney 2440.71
points awarded -0.65
So your guess is as good as mine

cheers
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2011, 10:46 AM
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Bill, this looks like the scoring factor of field strength was what gave the different points. I may be wrong..but I don't see what else it could be there.

I do know I saw someone post about working on the throttle points and the "reaching positive points" scores. I can't remember who, but if you see spudder, you might ask him...pretty sure he was working on it too.
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2011, 11:55 AM
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HI Bill

Haven't got a clue
But here is an example of one of my finishes

Field 10,0000
Hand-for-Hand 1440
My finish 1292
So one would presume I scored a few positive points , maybe!
points before tourney 2442.36
points after tourney 2440.71
points awarded -0.65
So your guess is as good as mine

cheers
so the more pts we get the hand for hand 1440 means nothing ty F.M.
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2011, 12:20 PM
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Posts: 141
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hmmm....

well at the start of the month cut off was 25% right?

spikes post would suggest that his cut off could be potentially 12.5%

also i had a tourney last night where i finished 1490/7374(just outside 20%) to receive -5.52, i'm guessing from that that my cut off is currently roughly 17% so this is what it look likes:

1500-1750?=25%
1750-2000= i dunno maybe 21%
2000-2200=17%ish
2200+ = 12.5%

pure guestimation and also doesn't take in the factor of field strength but is a guideline that can be worked on i'm sure. hope this helps
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2011, 05:09 PM
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Since: May 2011
Posts: 553
Think it has to do with your ranking as well...Drop a couple thousand places and points are easier

Another example,

07/11/2011 21:00 PokerSchool Skill League No Limit 7374 1284 -3.84 2171.28 2167.44

Dale
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2011, 05:11 PM
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Posts: 3,145
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Sorry Bill...

Can't be arsed to figure them out since Black Friday...

If anyone ELSE wants to though, just do this:

Download a graphing program.

Copy/paste all the progressive scores of the top 50 or 100 players in the league NOW (depending upon how close you want to hit the "shape" of the score progression/score loss curve)

This should serve to give you data on the drop in points based upon an INCREASE in league score.

Then...

Pop down to the bottom end of the league, and input 50 or 100 people's scores from there.
This will show the shape of the points drop curve on the LOW END, as well as establish the additional points awarded for a higher finish with a low score. (You may need to load more than 100 "bottom feeders" to get a data point "spread" for score increases, due to their general tendency to lose points so frequently, and gain them so rarely).

Then...

Do it for a few "middle level" scores...

I'd suggest bracketing the 1500, 1600, 1700, and 1800 score levels now.

This should result in you seeing the "up and down" effect of points lost and won at various levels.

OK...

All totalled, you'll have copied and pasted roughly 600 "player months" into your graphing program.

Then sort.
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011, 12:07 AM
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There's that formula they gave us too http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...coring-Formula

This is what popped out when I fed the numbers into it (with the 'breakeven' being the place you'd have to come in out of a field of 10,000 just to get 0 points)

Starting score
2500: Breakeven at around 1200
2400: Breakeven at around 1300
2200, 2300: Breakeven at around 1500-1440
2100: Breakeven at around 1600
2000: Breakeven at around 1800
1900: Breakeven at around 2000
1800: Breakeven at around 2200
1700: Breakeven at around 2450
1600: Breakeven at around 2700
1500: Breakeven at around 3000


And this is what the formula gave for what the points people might get (approximately, for a field of 10,000) when people on the leaderboard hit a score of 2500 - it seems like the leaderboard's been hovering just under that point for almost a week now, but every time somebody gets close it seems like they hit a bad patch of variance?

Approx. Points To Be Awarded (According to the Formula) For When Leaderboard Scores Hit 2500
1st Place...... 60 (plus 60 point bonus for coming in first - 10th place is around 60 points)
300............. 40
625............. 18
750............. 13
1000............. 5
1200............. 0
1440............ -2
1500.......... -10
1750.......... -14
2000.......... -18
2500.......... -25
5000.......... -35
10000........ -45


The point chart the formula gave out for when the scores hit 3000 though don't seem like people could still play and make progress game after game? I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens

Approx. Points To Be Awarded (According to the Formula) If/When Leaderboard Scores Hit 3000
1st Place...... 43 (plus 60 point bonus for coming in first - 10th place is around 43 points)
300............. 24
625............... 3
700............... 0
750.............. -2
1000.......... -10
1440.......... -20
2500.......... -40
5000.......... -50
10000........ -60

Last edited by TrustySam; Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 08:48 PM.. Reason: Forgot to add in the bonus points for making final table :)
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011, 12:12 AM
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Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 242
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Originally Posted by TrustySam View Post
There's that formula they gave us too http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...coring-Formula

This is what popped out when I fed the numbers into it (with the 'breakeven' being the place you'd have to come in out of a field of 10,000 just to get 0 points)

Starting score
2500: Breakeven at around 1200
2400: Breakeven at around 1300
2200, 2300: Breakeven at around 1500-1440
2100: Breakeven at around 1600
2000: Breakeven at around 1800
1900: Breakeven at around 2000
1800: Breakeven at around 2200
1700: Breakeven at around 2450
1600: Breakeven at around 2700
1500: Breakeven at around 3000


And this is what the formula gave for what the points people might get (approximately, for a field of 10,000) when people on the leaderboard hit a score of 2500 - it seems like the leaderboard's been hovering just under that point for almost a week now, but every time somebody gets close it seems like they hit a bad patch of variance?

Approx. Points To Be Awarded (According to the Formula) For When Leaderboard Scores Hit 2500
1st Place......60
300.............40
625.............18
750.............13
1000.............5
1200.............0
1440............-2
1500..........-10
1750..........-14
2000..........-18
2500..........-25
5000..........-35
10000........-45


The point chart the formula gave out for when the scores hit 3000 though don't seem like people could still play and make progress game after game? I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens

Approx. Points To Be Awarded (According to the Formula) If/When Leaderboard Scores Hit 3000
1st Place......43
300.............24
625...............3
700...............0
750..............-2
1000..........-10
1440..........-20
2500..........-40
5000..........-50
10000........-60
thank you very much trusty gl F.M
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011, 12:22 AM
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Posts: 8,291
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thank you very much trusty gl F.M
yw!

GL 2 u 2
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011, 09:56 AM
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Posts: 3,290
Great post Sam.
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011, 08:49 PM
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Posts: 8,291
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Thx Dan!
 

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